Saturday, June 29, 2013

06/29/13 What If

You all know I'm a contrarian by nature, and not only when it comes to stock market sentiment. I'm also a fan of Yogi Berra, who had an uncanny instinct for spotting the contradictions and paradoxes embedded in the human mind. Let's begin with one of his best quotes> 'It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.' If the stock market is comprised of human beings acting on contradictory and paradoxical thoughts/impulses, then several 'what if' scenarios seem plausible: (a) March 2009 will become (in retrospect, of course) the next 1982! No one believes we're in the first quarter of another 18-year bull market. That's the kind of long-term zoom-out-to-the-forest 'wall of worry' we need for a repeat 18-year rally in our lifetime. It's not unreasonable at all. We've had two major crashes since 1999, and the Nasdaq isn't even close to its 2000 stomping grounds. (b) The SPX ends 2013 around 1800. Sure, mean reversion makes that unlikely. But which mean are we referring to? The SPX is up +18% in the past twelve months, but it's up only +26% since January 2011 (2011 was a losing year, remember?), and up just +8% since January 2000. Hey, it has plenty of room to run! (c) History repeats/rhymes, and I've always thought another Roaring Twenties made sense. Another 7-10 years, and we will have either reflated the debts incurred in the first ten years of the century, or absorbed those losses via the hard choices many municipalities and foreign economies are making now. By the early- to mid-Twenties, we should all be sitting on a pile of cash that, were we able to remain fully invested through the fits and starts of the typical bull, will allow us to retire in style.

86 comments:

  1. TCK - What do you guys think, time to load the truck and hold up to a couple of years?

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    1. I can't provide any help. I've never really gotten into metals.

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    2. Yeah, it's a really tough call just as it always has been.

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    3. Really depends
      Either we get a complete washout which is buyable or we grind a huge base for years.

      But regardless, I don't think we are there yet by a long shot. Reading some about ABX this elweekebd and the huge debts they've taken on during this bull. Perhaps the buying opp is when ABX declares bankruptcy and crushes the market in 2015?

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    4. That's a hammer on the weekly, but I can certainly imagine how it might be fake. Now below the lower BB on weekly as well, that doesn't usually last for long.

      Down from here only further removes risk, maybe we get lucky and it goes for another leg down.

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    5. Mongolia - Again, today I hear a blurb about the ongoing mining boom.

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  2. Hop on the bus, Guss, or make a new plan, Stan?

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  3. Just finished reading Hussman's weekly comment, which of course has me 'convinced' a crash is imminent. Here's the thing with buy-and-hold. Over a period of several years, there is likely be a crash. The problem is, we don't know when. It could start tomorrow. But it could also start October 2014 following a +30% run. If Hussman had simply bought and held, he'd be doing way better. If we crash -30% this year and he misses it, so what? He's already missed a +30% run, so the net effect is he'd be even with buy-and-hold.

    There's no logic to the market short-term. There's only the odds-on bet the market will advance about +7% a year. It may decline -20% one year, then rally +30% the following two years. Who's really able to time it? Hussman? Paulson? Miller? Cara? Soros? There's only one guy who's rightfully retained his title, and that's Buffett. What's his approach?

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    1. You could probably make a case for taking it off the table in the event of a parabolic rise. There was at least one time when Buffett sold out and returned cash to investors b/c he couldn't find anything worth buying.

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  4. WTF? Some dude in Antioch is shot twice in the leg on Friday night and refuses to cooperate with the Poo-lice. Sat. night he's shot dead in the head. Guess he never figured the dude might come back and finish the job?

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    1. Those Antioch cops don't take kindly to victims refusing to cooperate.

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    2. Good point. Perhaps a message?

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    3. I didn't know Aaron Hernandez lives in Antioch.

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    4. A message to the original shooter that the cops are on the job.

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    5. And, they don't F around. So do the deed right the 1st time around or step aside. The victim's mistake was he didn't beat feet when the cops came. Always beat feet when the cops show up.

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  5. I'M with Buffet but am not such a great stock picker. Even my NSPH has backed down. Is it going to fill that gap? Perhaps and it may be a buying opportunity.

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    1. What's with that 11 x volume Friday?

      One thing I think I've learned on a position I'm ahead on like that is to take gains after the third consecutive day of lower prices then wait for a reload lower.

      I suspect the gap might come to within a penny of closing, but man look at that volume, has to have a meaning.

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  6. $7B US-funded African electric power infrastructure project could be a tailwind for solar?

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  7. CP- NSPH went into the RUT friday.

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    1. Indeed, but it's motoring out this morning.

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    2. RUT is good, can't hurt. Interesting NSPH got hammered just prior, huh? Where are the cops when you need 'em?

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    3. Right back into the RUT for another whiskey dent. Two miles of ditch for every mile of road....

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  8. FMD - Okay, Broke down and sacrificed another 1000 shares to the gods @ $1.17, for a $60 gain on those. Prepping to reload the money pump now...

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    1. I guess volume comes on suddenly, when someone drops a $2M @ market order in the last 5 minutes.

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    2. Alright guys, I'm done sacrificing my shares so you can get higher prices for yours, you guys need to carry some of the load here ya know....

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  9. Buffet doesn't try to predict crashes either - he just looks for period of overvaluation and undervaluation and buys or does accordingly.

    Whitney Tilson compiled the four articles Mr. Buffett has written about the market's valuation over the years (Bullish in 1974, 1979, and 2008; Bearish in 1999) and posted them HERE. Warren got the first 3 right. Time will tell if he was also right in 2008 (I wouldn't bet against him). http://www.tilsonfunds.com/4BuffettMarketCalls.pdf


    I'd absolutely recommend reading these and you see the similarities between markets over time and why we, as individual investors, can take advantage of the market.

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  10. And Hussman, I really have no idea how he got the reputation he has. He certainly is no Warren Buffett!

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  11. http://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=BYD&p=W&yr=2&mn=0&dy=0&id=p20684541620&a=299171046&r=642

    look at where BYD bounced from.

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  12. URG: Reached my swing price target so took 1/2 profits, moved stop to break even on remaining LT half.

    Day traded some DANG although it looks like a good entry. Market has to prove itself or it has that retrace look to it.

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  13. the KNDIman can...i think. I like this one on the pullback.

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  14. My next sell is set at 1.24 FMD.

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    1. ye of little faith!

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    2. Remember TOF, I'm still underwater on initial purchase around 1.27. Trading the rest.

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    3. Beats dozing off just to awake filthy rich, what fun would that be?

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  15. Broker is down...WTH

    Was going to buy some NOK back at 3.81

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  16. Buffett is my new drinking partner.

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  17. I guess Cherry Cokes are the new blog drink.

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    1. That's reason enough question that old bird!

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    2. Good point Mark, what the hell is that stuff made with, anyway? Just the thought makes me gag.

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  18. FMD - Alright, it's time for me to place my bid for the morning open to replace my trading shares, was thinking $1.08 or $1.10, what do you guys think?

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    1. Well, 1.08 is obviously my basis so makes sense to me.

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    2. Alright, I'm still thinking we'll be able to get it a bit lower but I can always add more if that happens.

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  19. Jeeze....Just rolling in again.

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    1. Woulda' been easier if your framers had used levels instead of eye-balling it?

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    2. We were putting something together the other day and the owner said 'don't you guys ever look at the plans?' We just laughed!

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  20. My kids fav game they play on the phone is Family Fued. How lame is that.

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  21. $WTIC - This one's going against Brandt, so far. I passed on UGA b/c of his bearish $WTIC chart.

    Oil in $140's would be a no-brainer short.

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  22. evening fellas, this one looks bullish to me


    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPWR&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p11996400873

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  23. how about this one? I brought it up on the blog before. I owned it, from $16 to 17.50. I knew it was gonna pull back.


    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=CHUY&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p41021883652

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    1. IDNK, CHUY looks sorta pricey for my taste. Prolly breaks up....

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  24. LINE getting clocked again. Last time was a buy op for a trade

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    1. Too much going on there for me. But I know that's not what your playing.

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    2. If it hits my entry level it might be a 30 second trade. :)

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  25. Good morning all DT'ers, you guys still hanging in there?

    Hopefully there aren't any drive-by's or stuff like that going on today.

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  26. Droopy Drawers - Crack kills, fellas!

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  27. CECO morning range seems to be getting tighter. Tougher to trade that morning dip.

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    1. I don't often look at this one, although I should. Be sure to holler if it happens to get crushed, so I can get in.

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    2. Shes up nicely off the low print now

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  28. FMD - Still not coming back to me, my plan is still working...

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  29. 11 posts? 5 on the sista.

    Not a good sign....

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  30. Peter Ghostine ‏@PeterGhostine
    I bet the $SPX will gap over the 50-dma. Traders are pussies. Only the algos can take care of that. #MATRIX

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    1. I don't understand this logic. Who wrote the algos?

      TRADERS. PUSSY traders.

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    2. Probably NOT -- PhD Mathematicians/Physicists who have never traded a day in their life :-)

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  31. Stopped out of line for a 100$ chip

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    1. Down 18%....could be a big winner if a trader had the nuts of steel

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    2. I agree, I call BS as well. I'm still awaiting my FMD flyball to come back to earth.

      Also agree with pussies and algo's gaping this baby up. Bring 'er down, go ahead.....

      They've got me where I want 'em.

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  32. Watching CNBC Fast Money last week and they were saying things were too volatile and needed to calm down before buying. In the spring they were saying things were too steady and we needed a pullback to buy.

    No wonder so many people get frustrated by the market. And that there is so much money still to come in. And we will see much higher prices over the next few years.

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    1. When we get universal agreement that a 7% pullback is a buying opportunity, then i will get a little worried.

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    2. Would a universal agreement to short a 7% advance serve to provide further conviction?

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  33. Ink-jet printer ink, $13/oz More expensive than champagne.

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  34. Student loan rates doubled today, load up...

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    1. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/02/fitch-us-student-loan-abs-can-withstand-idUSFit66142920130702

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  35. Another promising indicator.

    "Historically, when the Sell Side Indicator is below 50, as it stands now, the U.S. market’s total return has been positive 100% of the time, with median 12-month gains of 30%."

    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/07/01/why-u-s-stocks-could-be-24-higher-next-july/

    The concerning one these days is the margin debt are record levels. May have something to do with low margin rates and people using differently than in the past or maybe not and signalling more short term market weakness.

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    1. Is that record margin debt primarily on the short side?

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  36. I made a twitter post today claiming I'm president of Egypt and asking for protesters to stop protesting.

    Wonder if it will calm things down a little?

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