Wednesday, June 23, 2010
6/24/10 Purple Haze/ Trading Ugly
Purple haze all around
Don't know if I'm comin' up or down
Am I happy or in misery?
Whatever it is that girl put a spell on me
I read a few comments today that strike at the heart of trading- making the counter-intuitive move is almost always correct.
Why is that?
Unlike investing (where it's entirely possible for all players to make money owning 'title' to 'assets' that appreciate due to value creation over time), day trading is a zero sum game- one wins at the expense of other players. It's simply not possible for everyone to sell at the highs and buy at the lows.
So we're all gaming each other. Once you recognize that profits are made at the expense of the 'crowd,' it becomes clear that you must fade the crowd.
The crowd has a strong tendency to make the wrong move, as humans are wired to think they're above average (recall the oft-repeated 'experiment' where a professor will ask how many in the room think they're in the top 50%, and invariably way more than half the students will raise their hands).
Next time you feel 'adamant' about opening a position, ask yourself how strong the tendency is. The stronger it is, the more likely other traders will feel the same. In fact, it's very likely an entire 'crowd' of traders will act in concert on the almost irresistible instinct to buy or sell, as the case may be. Your job is to sense the momentary urge to do the same, and recognize it for what it is: the signal to fade the crowd and take the (usually) uncomfortable opposite side of that trade.
Therein lies the 'secret' to making money. Make the 'ugly' move.
It probably also explains why trading 'under the influence' may actually improve your performance. It certainly explains why I did so well in 2009.
Juuust kidding.
Next time you're in a purple haze and feel the Market has put a spell on you, remember to trade ugly.
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Hey 2nd where ya been all day?
ReplyDeleteChicken how do you interpret the GMO news you posted?
I've been doing the right thing- staying away from the toxic action and waiting for the right moment to open a position.
ReplyDeleteShark - Well, I think it's really just an update. We're always just a month away from this or that. Some folks have been waiting years while others bought much higher, so I have nothing to complain about.... All I can say is if GMO goes back to a dollar on the crashing market everyone and his brother is calling for, I'll be adding.
ReplyDeleteMore specifically though, I learned the EIS was waiting on the hydrology report. From an environmental perspective, the area does have pockets of molybdenum that pose a health risk to the deer population apparently, so provision will be necessary of some sort in that sense.
Gosh, maybe I should take a look at the material safety data sheet(MSDS) for Mo, duh!
Yep, I'll do that tonight...
PAL - Wonder if the earthquake will affect the mining operations?
ReplyDeleteGreat post 2nd. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteFF- I need some Northern Exposure...
ReplyDeletePAL - Apparently no effect.
ReplyDelete2nd - We're all smarter than the average bear! ;)
ReplyDeletelike the tunes tonight!
ReplyDelete:)
question.. anyone else notice the quality of our food is going south FAST? whole foods is the only option here in fl. And it is getting more and more expensive.
Assuming we have destroyed our environment along with our government and economy.. (sorry to be negative...) what would be best long play for agriculture?
feed, wfmi, potash?
Interesting opening comments 2nd.
ReplyDeleteNotes From Underground: The Fed breaks new ground
By Yra
The FOMC press release did not surprise anyone except some financial television pundits. However, there are two items that are new as we do our scatalogical analysis of the entrails of FED SPEAK. First is the following line:
“Financial conditions have become less supportive of economic growth on balance,largely reflecting developments abroad.”
This is the only time we can remember the Bernanke Fed explicitly stating its concern about events outside the U.S. Yes, we know the FED extended its DOLLAR SWAP LINES last month but we can’t remember anything alluding to weakness abroad as a reason to maintain a soft FED policy. Furthermore, the FED added the words, “prices of energy and other commodities have declined in recent months.”
This gives greater credence to the Bernanke FED being an output gap-oriented FED and it’s for that reason the extended period is based on the employment situation and the capacity utilization numbers come in behind. It’s interesting that the FOMC actually mentioned energy and other commodities because we doubt that if OIL was $100 a barrel that the FED would have moved to tighten. Who were they trying to assuage with that language?
That girl put a "Spell" on me. Well with a divorce rate of around 50% in US those girls better start working on a new spell.
ReplyDeleteJJG is another food play I've been trying to watch.
ReplyDeleteMON and ADM are a couple of others...
ReplyDeleteOrange Sunshine....That's too funny!!! I love it.
ReplyDeleteT3D- 59-59 in the fifth set!!! You've got to be kidding me. Have you ever seen anything remotely close to that!!
ReplyDeleteKendra soccer update. She was asked to play 2 years up last weekend, and the little shit wouldn't let anyone push her around! Made a perfect centering pass and her team mate botched it. She was pissed.
Now I think I understand why the KK board is so bearish on the US economy, I just realized it's 75% or better made of Canadians, the remainder are Europeans.
ReplyDelete"question.. anyone else notice the quality of our food is going south FAST? whole foods is the only option here in fl. And it is getting more and more expensive."
ReplyDeleteAnswer...Yes. Ever since the late 1970's in my recollection....one by one, changes occured and soon, chicken didn't taste like chicken, pork sure as hell didn't and doesn't taste like pork save for heritage breeds from select (expensive) providers, and perhaps as dramatically and as detrimentally, beef began to taste like ...nothing, basically. No flavor.
I buy only Black Angus, raised in Kansas, and often, prime or close. Those steaks still have flavor.
Had one tonight on the weber as a matter o' fact:)
Wish you guys were here we could have gotten drunk on Spanish red, and then 2nd could teach me how to roll a joint:)
Marko, those two guys have killed each other, but they are in the record books. Isner looked exhausted at 41-41. Regrettably here in Hawaii they are cutting off the tennis for soccer and I was following the score on Wimbledon the web site.
ReplyDeleteGood for Kendra, when I competed nothing turned me on more than playing up and playing against the best. She must be a real good passer and kicker.
Long KENDRA, long term
I posted this on KK (as Sharkie calls it):
ReplyDeletehttp://caracommunity.com/sites/default/files/SnP_062310.jpg
Its my best guess at how the markets unfold over the coming months.
hey sharkie, keep that vision, some day it will happen.
ReplyDeletecp
ReplyDeletethanks, I will watch the mon, adm and jjg. Or better yet, maybe I should buy a pc of land, well and a couple of chickens,... ooops sorry, cp maybe not chicken, perhaps a cow, angus of course
guess i am the only insomniac in the crowd tonight
ReplyDelete...
TBT was bidding at a new 52-wk low about 30 minutes ago (37.03). Has since recovered to 37.30...
ReplyDeleteLandry-
ReplyDeleteRandom Thoughts:
The market ended lower but off of its worst levels. I still think it has the potential to resume its downtrend from the big blue arrow down. However, I'm concerned that there could be a nasty sideways arrow in the works. I'll flesh this out later today in the chart show.
Nothing has changed just yet: I think that we should continue to focus on the short side. As usual, standard disclaimers apply:
honor your stops just in case, take partial profits as offered, wait for entries on new positions, and in case of rash, discontinue use.
Futures are soft pre-market.
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - First-time applications for state unemployment benefits fell by 19,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 457,000, the lowest in six weeks, the Labor Department reported Thursday, confirming that U.S. labor markets remain very weak.
ReplyDeleteThe previous week's initial claims were revised higher by 4,000 to 476,000 as more complete data were collected.
The report was close to market expectations, as economists surveyed by MarketWatch were looking for a drop to 460,000
vb - Chicken is good, we eat plenty of it here (Ponchito loves chicken meat) but not our own (currently all pets). One of these days I'll get around to those damn male ducks, they're just trouble makers anyway but I haven't been able to make myself kill any yet.
ReplyDeleteLooks like we open down...
T3D- Thanks for the chart. Time frame...looks like bottom in Sept.?
ReplyDeleteXLF seems to be getting hit the hardest. Not good for the bulls.
ReplyDeleteThe little pop in XLE was sold...
ReplyDeleteTruly a torturous market to try gaming.
ReplyDeleteFor some reason X+3B's BAC 14.40 call just popped into my pin head...
ReplyDelete2nd- Add to that my lack of interest for some reason and you get zzzzzzzzz
FAZ through R2....
ReplyDeletebought 3 more SPY June 30 $107 calls at $2.05. The support trendline drawn from the lows a few weeks ago was hit at 1,080 and I'm playing a lift into the quarter end. Position size is small and I'm ready to throw on a hedge if 1,080 is broken.
ReplyDeleteAONE still bucking the trend.
ReplyDeleteWill do.
ReplyDelete2nd taught us a very, very important market principle yesterday....namesly, money spent on drinks is much less expensive than money lost in the market!
Kidding. What we learned was, the incredible, wealth preserving power of NOT trading.
Not trading allows you to sell into a price spike and then wait days or weeks for the stock to get good again.
Not trading is our advantage, the edge we have over the Wharton grads at Goldman.
We can choose to trade only when everything sets up right, whereas they HAVE to trade even when conditions fall short of ideal.
A few of Bob's RBY entries each year, and not too many of them but catch 3 of them and your making 55 thousand a year, not too shabby for sitting in your bedroom surfing porn and playing online poker:)
Thank you 2nd for the lesson, which I hope I am learning.
If I could short, I'd short NLY.
ReplyDeleteWhen in doubt, play golf, to for a walk around the block, order a pizza....
ReplyDeleteOr do all three as I do:)
Going to Wal-Mart looking for cheap tee-shirts and a big thing of laundry detergent.
Chicken,
ReplyDeletewhy can't you short? No margin?
cnbc had a guy on from Convergex talking about those stocks most frequently used for HFT. I notice that Vad's 1st trade of the day is often LVS. Gaming the HFT algos. looks interesting...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cnbc.com/id/37852523
Yes, shark, but, to really make the huge gains you need to put a big bet down, be right enough that you are able to withstand any drawdown left, if there is, and hold long enough to collect the big gains, not just a couple percent.
ReplyDeleteAll in all, much easier said than done...
"All in all, much easier said than done..."
ReplyDeleteTruer words were never spoken Bob:)
Here's a bold idea...It kind of looks to me as though the dollar is falling, the euro is rising and check out gold.
So, talk about the ugly trade but how about going long here?
Yamana maybe?
MON - If I didn't know better, this could be an entry day.
ReplyDeleteFD: No position b/c I'm loaded (on other stuff) to the maximum legal limit allowable for the road conditions.
Low bridge ahead?
Or not:)
ReplyDeleteGoing to Wal-Mart no b4 I do anything
stupid(er):)
S&P - Call me crazy or whatever, but the chart looks like it's got a bias to the upside here. We're approaching that -3% 200DMA level where we bounced last time...
ReplyDeleteRubicon looks to want to be getting the job done but this market climate really is way too iffy.
ReplyDeleteOn a longer tern chart, I really cant find anything interesting.
ReplyDeleteThat would be term...
ReplyDeleteBehold the power of NSU....It's the sort of chart that's very hart to buy but/because it usually works out IN THE LONG TERM, not as a day trade.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely not bullish action.
ReplyDeleteHey, I made $37 trading two ultrahorts. Took a minor loss on ERY, but made it back and then some on TZA.
Pathetic, man. Might as well be high-fiving someone at the craps table for making $40 on a point...
2nd- Would you be comfortable e-mailing me your loan guys e-mail? Looks like it's time....or close.
ReplyDeleteDone.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we'll get lucky and the market will take a real dive today.
ReplyDeleteThanks, man.
ReplyDeleteHey...I'm still all giddy over the soccer match yesterday :))) Set's up a perfect Saturday!!
ReplyDeleteWell Obama finally found some ass to kick, didn't take long did it?
ReplyDeleteRIMM/INTC not looking too snappy going into earnings today.
ReplyDeleteYep, this market's driving me nuts. Just when it looks like prices are coming to me they reverse to the upside for a day or three...
ReplyDeleteBP right at LOY.
ReplyDeletelooks like SPF hit its lows yesterday.
ReplyDeletestill long
up big today on the markets?
ReplyDeletethe reason i ask about a big up day is i think the shorts will not want to stay short with fin reg resolution coming imminently and i still think there will be a bid in the markets going into quarter end.
ReplyDeleteGood point TOF, no telling how brave those shorts are considering there's been a lot of their favorite chum thrown overboard.
ReplyDeletePrices aren't low enough here for me to add, I welcome either scenario as long as the move is decisive.
Be careful on the short side here...fin reg resolution is coming imminently. Goldman is about to go green.
ReplyDelete2nd...If we really want to trade fugly shouldn't we buy PAL right here?
ReplyDeleteIf it was a buy yesterday it's a screaming deal today, no?:)
palladium going in the right direction..
ReplyDeletePAL feeling tempting....
closed out my SPY puts. I had a pretty profitable day and am taking a break. Took too much risk on with SPY calls, which I added to at the bottom and I don't like risk so I sold it at a decent profit.
ReplyDeleteStill holding SPF
Shark, I thought that you like going with the trend -- so why are you still talking about buying something? Shouldn't we be talking about shorting something? The time to think about buying something will be AFTER a major drop in the market that would place PAL in the $2 - $2.50 range.
ReplyDeleteLook at TBT, for instance. We all thought it was due for a nice counter rally, right? But the timing was wrong, as it coincided with an locally overbought condition of S&P, and so I said a couple of days ago that TBT was not a "buy" under the circumstances.
The only possible "buys" I see, out of the stocks I am monitoring, are UNG, SGG and MON. I have long positions in all 3 of them now.
UXG keeps exploding upwards. It hit my sell limit order today for 500 shares at $5. I have only 1000 shares left now, which I will sell in two bunches at $5.50 and $6.
ReplyDeleteUXG is THE play now for momentum traders, who know how to use stops in order to protect themselves in the event of the trend reversal. I am not one of them, so I am just scaling out of UXG now.
ReplyDeleteLooks like $8 is a strong support for UNG now -- it bounced off that level intraday several times already. I just placed a buy limit order for 500 more shares of HNUZF at $6.45.
ReplyDeleteHNUZF started to get away from me, and so I moved my limit up to $6.50 and bought 500 shares. Placed a sell limit order at $7 for these shares (I already have a sell limit at $7.50 for 500 shares of HNUZF I picked up at $6.50 a few days ago).
ReplyDeleteBought a couple of BP $33 July puts at $4.95.
ReplyDeletethis company is f'd with any hurricanes in the gulf
ReplyDeleteNice triple bottom is forming intraday on the indices today -- those computer algos are trading just like humans. :)
ReplyDeleteOr maybe they are trying to lure us humans into long positions before crashing the market down?
took a bigger position in BP July $33 Puts at $4.95. closed all longs.
ReplyDelete"The time to think about buying something will be AFTER a major drop in the market that would place PAL in the $2 - $2.50 range. "
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm waiting for, else I don't need to add.
I stepped away from the screen and now I see that my guess about computer algos trying to screw us humans was correct -- the triple bottom was decisively broken. I should have put on my day trader's cap back then and waited for the break down with a 3X ultrashort buy order lined up...
ReplyDeleteChicken,
ReplyDeleteI agree; however a drop to but not below the low 3's, in other words ahigher low, in the right context, may be an buyable event.
The computers are conditioning us into thinking a bottom has formed before crashing the market.
ReplyDeleteChicken,
ReplyDeleteI was just drawing a few trendlines.
There's a thing stocks do when they break out of a downtrend the way PAL did 9 sessions ago.
Often the price will, after a technical breakout, retest the right side of the previous downtrend line, thereby screwdoodling many of thopse who bought the breakout and set stops and sometimes even making, for a short time what appears to be a lower low, meaning a drop in this case to but nor below the 2.90's 2.80s or so, thereby fooling many longs into thinking the previous support, around 3, has broken.
I am not saying this ideal scenrio will set up, but I am not saying it wont.
The best thing of course would be a cathartic, humongous drop which takes everyone out, but that is a lot to wish for. Not saying it won't happen:)
When it does you need to put your whole account into a well selected stock or two so that you can double your money in one day.
screw it...sold my BP puts at a small loss at $4.90.
ReplyDeletecompletely flat in cash and will try to wait it out like 2nd.
ReplyDeleteShark - Yes, that's precisely what I'm hoping might happen. 2008 I made the mistake of buying too early and missed quite a bit of upside because of it (held my bag and rode it out but couldn't add, only switch around SSO->TNA).
ReplyDeleteI'm attempting to implement a wiser discipline this time.
"I'm attempting to implement a wiser discipline this time."
ReplyDeleteSame here, CP. I will try to restrain myself from adding to any market-dependent long positions until S&P drops below 1000. In fact, the best course of action would be to start closing my shorts gradually below 1000, finish closing them at 900, and only THEN start selling puts on whatever bargain stocks will be around at that time. If the overall portfolio balance is what matters at the end of the day, the above course of action will keep *gradually* increasing my long exposure, which is the right thing to do under the circumstances.
anyone buying RIMM here? quarter was actually pretty solid and they have 2 "significant product announcements" coming up in this quarter per their CEO.
ReplyDeleteRIMM - The thought had crossed my mind but I need to see this market sell off.
ReplyDeletenow those are some bearish words:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.benzinga.com/10/06/345189/russell-this-is-one-of-the-largest-tops-in-stock-market-history
RIMM- What worries me is a potential AAPL deal with Verizon. That could bury RIMM.
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