Tuesday, July 13, 2010

7/13/10 Gimme Shelter/ Playing Small



Oh, see the fire is sweeping
Our very street today
Burns like a red coal carpet
Mad bull lost its way


Think you have ice water coursing through your veins? Nerves of steel? No one does.

Executioners cover their faces. Hit men use adrenaline to their advantage. Gladiators/serial killers get off on the experience.

Everything we do is wedded to our emotions. Apart from a lobotomy (or unless we're playing with other people's money), we can't sever that connection.

When playing countertrend, play small.

I have played with large position sizes in the past. And several times I paid the price. There is just no way to distance yourself from a 6-10-15-25% hit on a large position. It kills the spirit when that happens. I would try to catch a movie, take a drive, or read a book to distract myself until the market reopened, giving me a chance to 'make it back.' It never worked. Instead, the losses cast a pall over any activity, and when the film ended (or I looked up from the pages of a book), the reality of what I was trying to forget came rushing back in like the blast of sunlight/heat outside the theatre.

We can't handle large losses- we're not wired that way.

Of course, for every rule there's an exception. In the spring of 2009 I was able to play with large position sizes in leveraged ETFs. It's easy to say in retrospect that it must have been because the indexes had no place to go but up. But the truth is I don't really know how I managed to hold large volatile positions without losing my cool.

Today? Today I am down -$179.95 while still holding positions in TZA/FAZ. I had one winning trade, which helped. But I'm OK mainly due to small position sizes.

What if you bet the farm on a downside move? Well, I'm not about to tell you it will all work out- I think the market sells off soon, but I don't know that it will. What I can say is that I've been in your shoes, more than once. More than a few times I made it all back by holding on to the position(s). More often I saved my sanity by taking the hit and trading my way back. You'll have to decide.

126 comments:

  1. Excellent post 2nd...the gamblers in us and the short term nature of our lives makes us want to take on risk. Then our good old minds get in our way.

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  2. 2nd_ave: in February I stubbornly held to my ultrashort positions and even kept adding them in small increments as the market was relentlessly going up. I got lucky eventually, and was able to sell those positions at a gain. This time, I'll try a different, safer strategy: using stops on my ultrashorts. Even though I got stopped out this morning of the TWM position I opened yesterday, I got stopped out at $21.40, while TWM was bidding at $20.40 after hours! So placing a stop saved my ass this time.

    I reloaded 1/2 of my original position after hours at $20.40. TOF's scenario about a gap up tomorrow and a subsequent decline seems quite reasonable, and so I have just canceled the stop I placed on that position so as not to get shaken out of it while I sleep tomorrow morning. If TWM will be below $20 when I wake up tomorrow, I'll close my position and will instead place a buy stop order at $20.

    If S&P makes another move up tomorrow, then the declining trendline connecting the highs from early May will be broken, and I'll abandon my thesis of the market being in a downtrend (unless S&P drops below 1100 in a short order after that).

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  3. David- Glad to hear you had a stop.

    Wonder how Landry is handling this rally given his recent consistently-bearish opening thoughts.

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  4. David - I'm pretty bullish in the short/intermediate term now but I think it makes sense to give it a few days of closes above the 200 DMA before completely stopping out...or one close significantly above it would do too. Remember that back in June it closed above the 200 DMA for a few days but then reversed and gapped down. I don't think this scenario plays out because I think the main driver for our downturn was Europe and China going down the drain and its pretty clear from economic reports lately that neither is true, but bad earnings from JPM and the other financials could put us bulls in check.

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  5. 2nd_ave -- did you see how TK is handling this rally? Didn't he go 100% last Monday?

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  6. In regards to the economy/markets, its quite possible to be bearish on the economy but bullish on the markets. Look at INTC for example. The market is clearly still not sold on the company. At the close today, it was trading at 11 times 2010 earnings and has $20 Billion in cash vs. $117 Billion market cap. So it's actually trading at 9 times earnings after backing out cash. When was the last time that happened other than the credit crisis? Shit it could go up 50% from here and still be reasonably priced.

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  7. Incidentally, my 3 trading accounts were up by more than 1K today, lest you think that I am in the bearish camp with my money and not just with my words. :) Today's purchase of TWM and IWM puts have reduced the long bias in my portfolio, but I am not sure whether it was enough to make me net short.

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  8. It's almost enough to make me bullish. Not quite. The right thing for me to do is stick with my plan- try to wrest a few hundred a day from the market while awaiting opportunities that call for larger bets.

    Remember that the markets are not really a casino. Casino games are based on set odds. Market movements are based on crowd psychology (and I'm not sure how HFT alters the game). Although overbought can/probably will become more overbought, there are limits to the conviction of bears, and the willingness of bulls to keep buying. At some point it goes the other way. My game plan, such as it is, will be to 'discern' when we begin turning in the other direction, wait for confirmation, and then make a larger play on the short side.

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  9. The 'other thing' to keep in mind is that it usually takes no longer than 24 hours to get over lost opportunities- a better one is around the bend. I can't emphasize that enough.

    Did I not sell TZA too early Monday morning? And again too early this morning? And is it not trading now about 2 points lower? Might it not be bidding 2 points higher by Friday? No dearth of opportunities. It's like Muni, for crying loud- miss the 7 am, catch the 715...

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  10. David- I can't tell how TK is handling it. He's not saying much. Which is probably all he has to say.

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  11. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sentiment-barely-budged-last-week-2010-07-13?reflink=MW_news_stmp

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  12. I can't dismiss Hulbert's take, as his 'readings' have better-than-even odds of being right.

    So I'm sliding my sentiment indicator a few notches in the bullish direction.

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  13. Which is probably good from a bearish POV.

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  14. tof- This story is more in line with what I'm seeing in the Bay Area right now (ie, the job market is about as tight as I've seen it):

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Job-openings-drop-in-May-as-apf-1383917273.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

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  15. Honestly, if I were trading purely from an economic outlook perspective, I would be very bearish. Having lived through my share of recessions, this one just 'feels' different.

    (a) Detroit isn't coming back anytime soon.
    (b) Outsourced IT isn't coming back at all. One of my business partners channels all of his software code work to China and India, and says they do xlnt work.
    (c) I really believe unions have seen their best days. When global competition starts getting down and dirty, they're out.
    (d) Americans in general have it easy in the workplace. That's on the way out.

    Hard Times. That was a great book, and those kinds of stories are coming back. All JMO.

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  16. A corollary to the above- I think day trading as we know it is also on the way out. The game has already changed. It's become noticeably more difficult to make money, and that will become the norm. The competition will become sharper. The daily grind will take its toll.

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  17. I'm watching BC turn bullish in real time.

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  18. There's enough yin/yang in just the few blogs I read on a daily basis to drive anyone up the wall.

    On top of that, there's the yin/yang of my own thoughts. Wavering btw complex/convoluted 'theories' of crowd psychology and KISS. Btw short and long(er) time horizons. Risk v capital preservation. Man, it goes on and on.

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  19. Well folks, I am still here and have been doing some trading. Results were ok until late June when I went long on SPY followed by WAG and lastly TBT. Three stopped out losses in a row wiping out a long string of meager gains up to that point. Got back into GLD on July 1 and holding at a profit which is small compensation. Have missed out on recent run up in SPX even though my subscription black box service turned bull in all time frames this week. Last week it turned bull on NAZ and DJI so SPX appears to be a lagging indicator. All indices can easily flip to bear since they are close to stops. No conviction on either side now.

    Bottom line is mostly in cash again and waiting to see if the "correction" is really over.

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  20. Very late meeting. Just got here. Another 8 ES pts.?

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  21. 2nd- I've been wondering about Landry myself. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

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  22. Redheads - Semper Flexibilis, I'm Gumby for cryin' out loud!

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  23. Random thought...I remember TK last summer commenting that what a gift it would be for the bears if the ES got to X'# to short. That was about 300 pts. lower than the high. I'm hearing that again.

    CP- Your crazy! I don't even know what the hell that means :)

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  24. TOF- Right or wrong, I admire your ability to change directions based on your current thinking and trade on it with real money. Good job.

    CP- We need to sit at a bar together for about 6 hrs!!

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  25. TOF- BTW, I don't know why your order for SPY didn't fill yesterday, but I had a MOC order with Schwab about a year ago, and when it didn't fill, I contacted them, it got filled with their inventory.

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  26. As bearish as TK was to the extent he/she borrowed against the farm and anything else not nailed down, TK's portfolio must be smellin' like a pretty rose 'bout now....

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  27. Mark - 6 hrs at a bar would be a start, a couple o' days quietly dancin' round a campfire with a case of cognac @ 5000 ft in the Sierras would be my preference.

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  28. CP- Done. You come out west and I'll meet you any day. I'm serious.

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  29. The challenge would be to get as drunk as possible while not falling into the fire... Fortunately, the drunker one gets the smaller the fire becomes.

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  30. Alright, you're on. It might take a while for me to make proper arrangements(most likely on the order of years) but at some point in the next decade I do intend on spending some quality time in that neck of the woods.

    It'll be a western loop going from north to south, most likely...

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  31. As long as it happens CP :) Cool..

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  32. guys - i meant to tell you all i got engaged this weekend! my life as a free man is no longer. i'm super psyched though. night all.

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  33. ok, i'll admit it...that might be why i turned bullish! figure i have to start thinking positively if i want to shell out major dough for a ring and a wedding (both our parents can't afford it so we're going alone at it).

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  34. The smooth operators at the big banks were playing with other people's money, so they borrowed up to 30 times their investors' capital. The hedge fund guys usually had their own money in their fund, so they typically borrowed only one or two times their capital.

    The social butterflies at the banks got swept up in the popular enthusiasms. The contrarians at the hedge funds made money betting against them. The well-connected bankers knew they'd get bailed out if anything went wrong. The solitary hedge fund guys knew they were on their own and regarded their trades with paranoid anxiety.

    more

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-david-brooks-big-wet-kiss-hedge-fund-managers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+zerohedge/feed+(zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline,+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero)

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  35. TOF- WAY TO GO!!! I'm so happy for you. Patricia and I did it on our own also, with a little help from our parents. We had a killer BBQ and ceremony at our house and still get compliments that it was a great wedding. Damn, that is such great news! I can't believe how happy I am for someone I've never meet.

    So, when are you going to make your parents, grandparents????

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  36. Congrats TOF, can be a wonderful thing.

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  37. Okay one joke.

    A Farmer was selling his peaches door to door.

    He knocked on a door and a shapely 30 something woman dressed in a very sheer negligee answered the door.

    He raised his basket to show her the peaches and asked, 'Would you like to buy some peaches?'

    She pulled the top of the negligee to one side and asked, 'Are they as firm as this?'

    He nodded his head and said, 'Yes ma'am,' and a little tear ran from his eye.

    Then she pulled the other side of her negligee off asking, 'Are they nice and pink like this?'

    The farmer said, 'Yes,' and another tear came from the other eye..

    She unbuttoned the bottom of her negligee and asked, 'Are they as fuzzy as this?'

    He again said, 'Yes,' and broke down crying.

    She asked, 'Why on earth are you crying?'

    Drying his eyes he replied, ''The drought got my corn, the flood got my soy beans, a tornado leveled my barn, and now I think I'm gonna get fucked out of my peaches.

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  38. 2nd,

    I agree something has to give vis a vis the market...namely, way too many people depend on making their money in the market, which is kind of a misuse of it. Hell, even daytrading is a misuse of the market.

    However, I expect that going forward baby boomers and others will be forced into the stock market due to a dirth of employment opportunities. I expect them to provide the new meat.

    BTW FWIW IMHO daytrading has been overrated as a strategy for some time. Sure, there are times when closing out a position in minutes is the right move. Of course it can be.

    But the best moves are "never" daytrades....the market tends to confound daytraders anyway, and the best moves can go up/down slowly but decisively over a period of days/weeks w/o ever allowing a good DT oppty.

    After 6 or however many updays, and with the weather sucking in NYC, I have a funny feeling the rally's over for a few days. It comes down to animal spirits....The humidity sucks and the rain is persistent.

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  39. Q. What did the blonde's mom say to her before the blonde's date?
    A. If you're not in bed by 12, come home.

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  40. Landry-
    Random Thoughts:

    Well, so much for the upward drift. The market blasted higher on Tuesday. This action puts further into its prior range.

    So far though, I still think it has the potential to resume its downtrend, especially now that it is so overbought. However, lately, the market doesn't seem to care what I think.

    Borrowing a "floor-ism" from Linda Raschke, this market seems to be doing "what it has to do to cause the most pain to the most people:"

    It's going to rally enough to suck in the bottom fishers and squeeze out the shorts. Then, it'll implode.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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  41. Made $515 trading TZA/FAZ in the premarket. Closed everything out, back to 100% cash.

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  42. wow...2nd u r the man!

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  43. It seems extended hours is the only time I can 'game' the market. Maybe it's because the HFT black boxes are taking their coffee breaks?

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  44. shark- In case you're wondering:

    (a) Opened FAZ in 3 sets @ 13.76, 13.72, and 13.81. Sold in 3 sets @ 13.91, 13.94, and 13.96.

    (b) Opened TZA @ 34.05, sold @ 34.55.

    (c) Closed out yesterday's TZA (entry 34.21) @ 34.55.

    (d) Closed out yesterday's FAZ (entry 14.14) @ 13.96 (for a loss).

    All small position sizes.

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  45. I was wondering about the small thing, yeah.

    Great wins man.

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  46. I am very bearish on today btw.

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  47. wow, nice trades 2nd.

    thanks Mark. yeah, we're really excited about everything. we started looking at what we need for the wedding and it's pretty crazy how much money you can end up spending. we're on the same wave length as far as just focusing on having a great time because that is what we will remember more than having a good flower arrangement or a nice cake.

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  48. by the way, i think i posted about this company a while ago: ADES. very interesting little company. they signed a license deal with ACI to supply them with a patented clean coal technology. the deal says they get $1/ton of coal produced using their technology. ACI produces 200 Million tons per year. They have also won a bunch of new contracts/funding from the govt over the past 6 months or so. it's a great speculative pick i think. i don't have a position but figured i would give you all a heads up. beware: the bid/ask spreads are pretty high.

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  49. Small position in REW @ 21.56...

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  50. Where's VB?

    It's time for drinks, it's 10am eastern:)

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  51. Curiously, our opening 2 week range for the 2nd half looks to be stuck just underneath the first half's opening 2 week range.....HMMMM?????

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  52. maybe i'm crazy but i kinda like the action in the market today. i think it's keeping bulls in check, which is good longer term. we'll see how the day ends.

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  53. Adding to REW @ 21.43. I'm expecting a surge in technology stocks. But I don't expect the surge to 'stick.'

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  54. I also expect to see all three major indexes in the green at some point today.

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  55. DCTH on the move again

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  56. Sold my NLS today at $1.98. That was quite a gain...too bad I only had about $2k in it. Should have loaded the boat then I could have paid for my wedding!

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  57. mark - are you still holding FTFL? that one has done really well, up about 15% + another .20 dividend.

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  58. Geez - the Baltic Dry Index hasn't stopped falling for like 40 days now. what's the deal with that index?

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  59. hey 2nd > http://www.marketwatch.com/story/market-gain-suggests-rally-has-legs-2010-07-14?dist=beforebell

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  60. TOF- Nope, I sold it about 3 days ago for 6.95. It looked like I could re-load at about 6.40, but the next day, the bids shot up to 6.90. I have a GTC order in @ 6.40.

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  61. Bumped RAS to 2.19. I placed an order for XCO this morning near the lows @ 14.65. The F...er left right then without me.

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  62. BC making some comments on choppy conditions.

    Re DCTH...have been watching the price movement for a few days. Vad often refers to those stocks where the smart money is doing the heavy lifting. Time will tell..

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  63. Kyle- BC also backing away from his bullish posture in an earlier comment...

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  64. I can't believe how many trades I've missed the last 3 days by a couple pennies.

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  65. 2nd - Thanks for sharing your entry/exit points wrt TZA/FAZ this morning. I need to learn much from you. Am still caught in this swing-trading timeframe...need to get my brain re-adjusted to the 'right' timeframe. Good job man.

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  66. I took the hint and bought some pal...could be a mistake, but it wouldn't be my first:)

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  67. It's gonna take some patience from here, S&P RSI(7) is closing in on 70 while most of my longs are still in the 50's.

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  68. BLOODSUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!

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  69. Their is no right time frame for everyone, just a right time frame for your individual personality.

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  70. wow look at NLS just run! should have followed the good ole intuition and taken a full size position a couple of weeks ago.

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  71. Yep, RINO is another one of those fish that got away.

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  72. Add MON to that list, and a host of others...

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  73. I am up now and I see that TWM is till above my after hours purchase price of $20.40! That's good news, since I can, with a clean consciousness, place a sell stop at $20.40 and see what happens. Now that I had a great practice "defending" a certain price level, I'll defend $20.40 as well (i.e., if TWM dips below $20.40 intraday then I'll just place a buy stop at $20.40, etc.).

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  74. Looks like my guess about the day after earnings being a "capitulation day" for MON (when it dropped 3% in a day to $45) was correct -- MON has been doing wonders since then. Today, my 2 July $52.50 calls hit their sell limit at 2X the purchase price (the purchase price was $1.25 per call, in my tradition of keeping long options positions to toy sizes). At some point, however, those calls were worth $0.1, and had I opened a toy position at those prices, the 25X gain now would not be so "toy" anymore. :)

    Also, interestingly, one July $60 put I sold on MON a month ago for $4 was assigned to me earlier this week, and so today I just sold one August $55 call against those shares for $2.10. I also picked up 200 more shares of MON at $50, and I have now set a sell stop order for them at $52, to make sure I "don't let a profit turn into a loss."

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  75. I give up, man. Out of TZA/FAZ for minor losses.

    (hehe)

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  76. david - excellent trading on MON. been watching that sucker for a while now.

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  77. Tried to have a discussion with Vad on CC re DCTH...not much came of it. Volume looks interesting though...

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  78. They may need to 'take it down' in order to attract enough buying interest to 'take it up?'

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  79. 2nd - I'm not smart enough to figure it out. There are these 10am buying spikes that come in (& the weak holders happy to get out??) and then more attempts to move the price up. Who is the 'smart' money??? Those getting in or the 'smart' money engineering an exit out of a steep decline like you suggest????

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  80. Catch the 'hehe' above?

    As my 8-yr-old would say, 'Tricked ya'!'

    REW off @ 21.62, TZA off @ 34.65, both for gains!!

    (For some reason, I sometimes get the paranoid feeling 'someone' is waiting for me to capitulate before allowing the market to move in my direction. So this kind of adds to my paranoia.)

    The astute reader would have caught the inside joke by noting that I wasn't holding FAZ, but rather REW, to begin with.

    Just a little fun 'n' games.

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  81. Well I suppose it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to consider a short position lower risk when the S&P RSI is topping. It's just a question of if we consolidate or move down. I'm anticipating the former...

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  82. It's pathetic, the kinds of strategies I'm forced to employ to make a profit in this market...

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  83. Double top (1099.xx) in SPX. BGU (47.36 & 47.34) this morn???

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  84. my first thought on today's action is i hope the shorts are using this dip to cover.

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  85. Here it comes.....FLASHCRASH!


    ARRRRRRGHHHHHHHH. the humanity:)

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  86. And naturally, the sell-off now intensifies..

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  87. Looks kinda like a 1050 retest, don't it?

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  88. A while ago I picked up 500 shares of SD at $7.23 and then 500 more at $6.25. I have already sold at $7 one half of the shares I added at $6.25. Just now, I sold 7 September $7 covered calls against the remaining 750 shares for $0.4 each, thus lowering my cost basis by 40 cents or exiting the position at a decent gain at $7.40.

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  89. Looks like SPX is just testing lvls...

    http://www.screencast.com/t/OTM3NmIxMDI

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  90. I'm seriously considering setting up some buy and sell limits and then turning off my computer for about six months...

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  91. Now it feels like it wants to close in the green?

    How the hell can anyone trade this market, man...basically you can't walk away after opening a position...

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  92. 2nd - i don't know how people day trade it either. i'm having more success when i look at trades for a several day / week period. its just too easy to get faked out.

    my thinking on today is if we close anywhere near green (i.e., down 30 points or less) then its a missed opportunity for the bears.

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  93. SPX Fib Lvls -- Maybe This....

    http://www.screencast.com/t/ZmUwOWI5

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  94. i still think the action in 1998 is an excellent parallel to today's markets. you'll see that after a huge 6 day rally that brought the market to the 200 DMA, it paused for about 5 days and traded slightly downward and then it skyrocketed higher by about 8% or so.

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  95. that period was very similar to this period. the market was up big going into the summer and then the russian/asian credit crisis broke and the market / economy had serious concerns. the market rallied 50% from the lows after the crisis was resolved.

    read the fed statement back then; there were several notes about significant drops in growth rates:
    http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/minutes/19980929.htm

    the 10 year treasurys declined sharply during that downturn but ultimately bottomed out and rallied sharply. all of this is very similar to the current world markets.

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  96. I just finished reading all of today's comments and I have to say... Congratulations on your engagement, TOF!!! When you get married, you'll still be a relatively free man, but when you get children, THEN your freedom will be over. :) So enjoy the married life for now, take great vacations with your wife while you still can (make sure you go somewhere for a nice long honeymoon), enjoy each other before she has to dedicate 90% of her attention to children!

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  97. A while ago I bought the SD dog in my IRA account at $6.50, and today I wanted to get the hell out of it, but then, to my surprise, I saw that I don't have any SD there and they I recalled that I sold all of it at $7 a few weeks ago and instead bought MON at $50! What a nice surprise. :) I also saw that 1/2 of my small IRA was in cash, and so I just filled that 1/2 with ECUXF, buying 10000 shares at $0.6.

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  98. tof - You really believe the advancing market in 98 compares to the declining market today???

    http://www.screencast.com/t/ZTgyMjJlMWM

    Are you sure???? I mean really???

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  99. Well...my computer did some buying while I was gone.

    KWK @ 11.50
    HEK @ 4.77
    RAS @ 2.19

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  100. Seeing if I can add to RAS here @ 2.14. Pretty clean stop if it breaks.

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  101. The Federal Reserve must be absolutely teaming with a staff of Einsteins:

    "Federal Reserve officials have a slightly dimmer view of the economy than they did in April, reflecting worries about how the European debt crisis could affect U.S. growth and job prospects."

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  102. 98 was an 'Oh my Gosh we're technology people and the tech market is advancing and we need to throw ALL our life savings into tech because we're missing it' market type of movement. Yes, the index levels are the same, BUT OH HELL NOOOOOOOOOO........

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  103. Backing out of RAS...Looks like I might get it a little lower.

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  104. "I saw that I don't have any SD there and they I recalled that I sold all of it at $7 a few weeks ago and instead bought MON at $50! What a nice surprise. :)"

    That's like finding a one hundred dollar bill in your winter coat pocket!

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  105. Kyle - I think in general I'm comparing how the markets traded around sovereign credit crises.

    Remember, back in April the 10 yr was at 4% and a lot of people were screaming that the Fed needed to raise rates. Now people can't stop talking about double dip recession. The fact is things change quickly. I'm betting they get better again in large part because there is an extreme disparity between full time hiring and temp hiring and the downturn cause companies to cut back on jobs far more than the GDP drop warranted. So I'm betting that jobs will come back just from re-hiring people, which will spur home buying and retail sales. This is what I'm betting on and I know I can be wrong.

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  106. Bidding SSO @ 35.58 for the IRA. S2 and 2.50 lower than my last exit.

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  107. Which companies are reporting tonight?

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  108. RAS..Looks like another .01 miss.

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  109. Well, I think we close in the green today. So tof's thesis about ramping higher may be in play.

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  110. tof - Didn't mean to hammer you or to be mean. It's not my intention (NONE of us knows now this movement will unfold). I'm just becoming more aware of how well Fib Lvls really do work & how MAJOR market swings are inevitable. The double top in SPX (1553 in '00 & 1576 in '07) is NOT a good sign LONG term IMHO. Take good care.

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  111. kyle - no worries. i like debating on crap like this because it keeps our ideas in check. i know how fib levels have been working lately but eventually that crap doesn't work. remember back in march 2009 everyone was saying buy and hold is dead? well if people bought and held back then they would still be up a ton. i think ultimately as we move toward a normal trading market these technical trading trends will not work.

    regarding today's action, i view it as very bullish...possibly even more bullish than yesterday. having said that, if JPM drops a bomb then my bullish trades are screwed.

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  112. i'm listening to this fast money show and i think this gives great insight into what the short term investors are thinking. it sounds like everyone is bailing on this market. the perfect set up to get everyone off the real move (which i think will be higher in the next couple of weeks) is for the market to drop back down to 1070ish. bears will be confident that the market is going down because it can't get above the 50 DMA and bulls will be quick to take profits. so if it does this over the next several days then if it moves higher after that even more bulls will be out of the market.

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  113. I don't have a take on how the market is gonna move tomorrow, but consistent with my recent experiment of using stops, I am still keeping a sell stop order at $20.40 on the 500 shares of TWM I picked up at that price yesterday.

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  114. HNU.to: Got an alert for a possible buy at the close today. Been letting the price come to me on this one. There is no pre-market on the Toronto Stock Exchange so I will look at the the bid/ask just before the open. I tempted to buy a small position at the open.

    ECU.to: this one is like watching paint dry. The longer the base, the more I light this one.

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