Wednesday, March 9, 2011

3/10/11 Bull Market Bullshit?

http://tinyurl.com/4fvn4he

'Even if this bull market were to come to an end today, its second birthday, it would still go down in history as one of the most powerful in U.S. history.

And that’s worth noting, because it means that — to the extent this bull market continues into its third year of life — it will be venturing even further than it already has beyond what many of the historical norms would suggest we can rightfully expect.

So as my contribution to the birthday celebrations, I will compare the current bull market to its predecessors over the past century.

In fact, there have been only two other bull markets over the last century in which the Dow, during those bull market’s first two years, gained more than 86.7%. Those two were: The bull market of the 1920s (in which the Dow was sporting a 148.2% gain on its second birthday) and the bull market of the 1990s (in which the Dow was ahead 197.7% on its second birthday).

In other words, the current bull market in its first two years gained more than all but two of the past 33 bull markets. From this perspective, the current bull market would have to be considered as getting somewhat long in the tooth.

To be sure, there are other ways of slicing and dicing the data that paint less of a sobering picture. One comes by focusing on the life spans of the 14 prior bull markets that did make it to their second birthdays. On average, those 14 bull markets lived to be over three years old.'


Let's hope the markets rock 'n roll another year. But I'm hoping for a decent pullback first.

77 comments:

  1. I'll be listening to the HEK CC. I don't expect any earnings fireworks though.

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  2. CP its the TAXATION *OF* DEVALUATION that really bothers me.

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  3. I looked at charts for two hours and only found weak plays. I am going to need to see a definitive direction even for a two day hold. I'm not going to guess.
    Bob

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  4. CB - I love paying taxes, it's a good indicator of having made gains. Perhaps we can trust the markets to overcompensate based on the risk premium involved?

    Regardless, anyone loaning our government money to enable the shenanigans needs to re-evaluate their priorities. Considering the propensity for reckless spending and fiscal irresponsibility, surely in the longer time horizon their trust is unlikely to be rewarded?

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  5. H&S pattern on copper, but it hasn't broken the neckline yet, so it's unconfirmed:

    http://www.capturetrends.com/comodities/1337.html

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  6. Crude - Looks like crude needs to drop back under $101 before any rally is safe, if it continues climbing, equities downside pressure will increase.

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  7. BACON and Coffee. The breakfast trade is the cat's Meow this morning.

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  8. It does look bad this morning. Let's see if it's a head fake.

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  9. RAS. Man, that was an ugly candle.

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  10. CADC - Went right to the 200SMA
    RBY - Heading for the 200 as well?
    GMO - Holding up incredibly well for now, much stronger than I'd anticipated.

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  11. Sovereign debt crisis?

    For once, something from BC I can sink my teeth into. Interesting observation.

    Notice PM's aren't flying.

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  12. Brave souls, those dip buyers! I'm too scared to buy here...

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  13. Mark > i was scrambling to log into my broker to buy RAS...didn't get on in time.

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  14. CREE/JDSU green. FNSR holding up well.

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  15. CREE - Today Congress is to review bill that kills incandescent bulb. I doubt they can tell us what to buy for lighting our homes, the old glass bulb lives on?

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  16. CP- Are you referring to the 'call it a sense I have' comment, or something else?

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  17. Buy limit BTU at $60.99

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  18. Long F at $14.15

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  19. Long RAS at $2.99

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  20. Long BAC at $14.44, Long BTU at $61.7, Long FNSR at $24.6

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  21. Damn, tof. What happened to waiting for the smoke to clear?

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  22. I'm gona hang out with RB. These things never resolve so quickly.

    TOF- Stay frosty shooter.

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  23. 2nd > My initial thoughts yesterday were that they would head fake us down through the wedge, catch shorts and then rip it higher in part because of a collapse in oil prices and the day of rage being a dud in the short term. I'm just trading my thoughts.

    Also, I like the entry points on all of these...simple stop out points. BTU is just above the 100 DMA which has provided support, BAC is just above the 50 DMA which it is riding higher, FNSR is way oversold and I'm playing a bounce and will get out today, RAS is right at the 50 DMA, which it is riding higher, F is right at the 200 DMA and oil is crashing.

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  24. oh wow...looks like my BTU actually filled at 61.51. CP > unbelievable that the max pain level is coming into play huh? This was at $71 like 2 days ago.

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  25. Yea, but Spain downgrade is big problem and has potential to hang around to keep pressure on.

    EUO is probably a good long here. If we break and close below 1294.26 game over for now. We all have our own trading styles and that's what makes a market.

    GL with your trades.

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  26. t3d > absolutely, i'm just trading my plan. i could be completely out today if i get a 2-3% pop in my port.

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  27. 1300 is holding it will be intersting to see how we close.

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  28. 2nd - "Are you referring to the 'call it a sense I have' comment, or something else?"

    Sense? What kind of sense would that be aside from uncommon or nonsense? Not that he's an idiot, the guy is as abrasive as anyone I've ever met, I can't understand why so many line up to kiss his boots. The clincher is, he demands it.

    Anyway, I was referring to: "The headline that is yanking your chain: “Stocks drop on Libya”. The problem: “European sovereign debt crisis”."

    I think this was more of a realization as opposed to a "sense". I had thought about this very subject when Greece was downgraded but the oil price subject steered me away from that train of thought.

    But maybe we should stick to trading off charts anyway, all of these price levels we seem to be hitting are right there in advance...

    For instance, today gold is testing the 20SMA. If it fails, the 50SMA is next.

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  29. Crude - Just a tad above $101 now, if it breaks down under $100, I think we may be saved.

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  30. I bet today's Treasuries auction is going well?

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  31. "Smooth 10-yr auction wakes sleeping bond market"

    Treasury just sold $21 billion 10-year notes. The auction went well....

    http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mortgage_rates/blog/202160.aspx

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  32. So maybe if the day of rage actually becomes a flop instead (and oil falls under $101), we only have the remaining sovereign debt issue holding us back?

    If the EU buckles under by stepping up to support Spain, then the Germans will be pissed and resume buying gold? Wouldn't that would make PM's move?

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  33. http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/bear-market-google-stock-baidu-stock/3/10/2011/id/33279?camp=syndication&medium=portals&from=yahoo

    See traders are shorting the breakdown. I don't think it's gonna be this easy. In fact, I could see a scenario where we do this false breakdown, suck in bears, then break out to the top and suck in bulls, then we drop lower.

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  34. if we continue higher today, bears will capitulate fearing that the day of rage is nothing...

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  35. Copper is actually up today. http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/copper_historical.html

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  36. on other hand TED spread is ratcheting up:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=.TEDSP:IND

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  37. China reports seasonal trade deficit, larger than anticipated, due in part to new years holiday. Note that over all, both import and export activity were down, with export down more than import.

    I guess the dollar's doing a dead-cat bounce here.

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  38. TOF - I don't know where that KITCO data comes from but according to Yahoo, the front month of copper is nearly flat right now.

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  39. TOF- I'm sure you see it, but RAS is back to 3.10 which was the past 2 recent lows. Might be hard here. GL and good job.

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  40. "Kevin Book, ClearView Energy Partners, discusses why oil prices are dipping despite continued unrest in Libya. "Demand fundamentals never changed," he tells CNBC."

    Actually, I think people quickly changed their habits and slowed consumption of gasoline.

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  41. TOF might be right here in that today's sell-off is a precursor to a move up. Despite breaking the recent rising wedge to the downside, IWM bounced today right off the important support at $80. So it is too early to declare that the uptrend is finished.

    Another chart that looks interesting is GDXJ, which has bounced today right off the previous support at $36.50. So I have just bought 200 shares of GDXJ at $37.01 and placed a sell stop at $36.30/$36 for all the 400 shares that I now own.

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  42. Well, so as not to place my GDXJ stops at the most obvious levels, I just moved them down a bit to $35.95/$35.90.

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  43. out of all longs...Sold RAS at $3.09. Sold BTU at $62.3. Sold BAC at $14.34, Sold F at $14.12. Made about $1k total.

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  44. Started approaching 1294 then pulled away.

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  45. Shorted CAT at $99.3 and 2 x March 11 $100 puts at $1.35 and bought 10 out of the money calls on GLD $139 expiring tomorrow at $0.25.

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  46. positions very small just keeping it light and in cash.

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  47. TOF- Thank goodness! Trouble's a brewing in the Kingdom.

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  48. SPY low was 129.70 the other day. Yikes we're close.

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  49. Mark > i had a mental stop on all of my positions...sell all if SPY retraced back to 130.5. it did and then we got the news about saudi. funny how the market moves before the news....and no one fronts the market right?

    we'll see if i was right to pull chips off table.

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  50. wonder if the shots fired in saudi is a false rumor by people long oil or short the market...
    the whole qaddafi truce rumors were false

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  51. Nothing on CNN about shots? Rumor would benefit people long market and short OIL to buy the dips no?

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  52. Well, at least F/BAC are below my sale prices.

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  53. TOF- What did you make of the DANG CC? Below it's IPO price right now.

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  54. Mark > IPO price is technically $16 on DANG but I understand what you're saying. The call was fine and the earnings were solid. Valuation is a little crazy but the long term story is awesome. The issue to me is that the CEO talked trash on the IPO underwriters and I honestly think they're f'ing with the stock. Look at YOKU...stock is really strong yet it doesn't have earnings. They didn't say anything bad against the underwriters.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see DANG go to $17.

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  55. TOF- Wow, that's really interesting. I'll have to read the transcript.

    Market overall- I just can't find a compelling reason to step in here.

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  56. Hot diggity DANG, another 7% haircut!

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  57. "I just can't find a compelling reason to step in here. "

    Not as long as oil remains north of 101, wouldn't want to be forced to take the Slauson cutoff!

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  58. All I see are asks chasing the bids down.

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  59. And copper has fallen through the neckline shown on this chart, now at $451.16:

    http://www.capturetrends.com/comodities/1337.html

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  60. I forgot to mention that was stopped out flat today from the VXX short I opened in February at $33.65.

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  61. Just bought 100 more shares of GDXJ at $36.60 and added these into my sell stop at $35.95.

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  62. The most confusing close would be right at the current levels, which would mean a close right at the key support level for IWM, F, GDXJ, etc. This should generate a lot of fear for the longs about a gap down on Friday, not giving anyone the possibility of a graceful they could get if the support is broken intraday.

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  63. say what we will about the market faking people out and whatnot but the market's tone has clearly changed...look at all of these big old red candles on the charts.

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  64. RBY - The big boys are buying down here (Scroll to bottom of page):

    http://tmx.quotemedia.com/quote.php?qm_symbol=RMX

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  65. "say what we will about the market faking people out and whatnot but the market's tone has clearly changed...look at all of these big old red candles on the charts."

    That's because we got too used to all intraday dips being bought. :)

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  66. Canaccord/Scotia/Morgan Stanley/Toll Cross/CIBC - These were all buying RBY's low today.

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  67. degenerate momo names held up well: OPEN CMG LULU

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  68. Okay, so did anyone notice gold fell along with equities today? I don't think anyone can claim gold was flying... So next time someone tells you equities are selling off and gold is flying, make sure to bend over and kiss his boots twice as hard and while you're down there maybe he'll let you count his wrinkles!

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  69. David - Yep...I think the best way to fake everyone out, though, is to stay at this 1,295 level for a few days and get everyone afraid of a break down, and then gap it higher and reverse the trend. personally, i'm ok with waiting for that reversal to happen...otherwise, i'm in cash and will just maybe do some day trading on panic selling/buying.

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  70. But I am still finding it VERY interesting that the traders forgot to sell copper today! Maybe it wasn't just a fluke?

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  71. David - Copper sold off this morning then recovered somewhat to settle with a -0.42% loss on the front month.

    The H&S neckline is broken, looks like 454 failed and 437 is next support. Looks like to me it's about to test the 100SMA.

    http://www.capturetrends.com/comodities/1336-head-a-shoulder-pattern-on-copper.html

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  72. ENER-- Energy Conversion Devices off 22.5% after hours after a 7.6% drop in regular session.

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