Friday, May 20, 2011

05/20/11 The Waiting Game



The II and AAII sentiment survey results surprised me this week- I didn't sense the excessive bearishness being reported.

Two of Hulbert's commentaries weigh in on the discrepancy.

http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/battle-of-the-sentiment-indicators-2011-05-19/D33E4DCC-2501-4382-AEDD-24DB0475C67E#!D33E4DCC-2501-4382-AEDD-24DB0475C67E

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-optimistic-is-the-stock-market-really-2011-05-20

Do we correct? Has the market topped? I don't know. But I've moved on to a different game, the kind that takes timing strategies to the shredder.

Timing worked for awhile, but it's never been my game. It's difficult to recall now, but prior to 2006 I rarely engaged in day trading- it was (and still is) a well-known fact that most day traders (and most gamblers) lose money.

So we now likely revert to the norm:

(a) In the course of a year, the bulk of stock market moves will be concentrated in some fraction of the total number of trading days. Typically a small fraction. Do I want to be the guy that hopes he's all-in on days when the market spikes up (worse, gaps up), and in cash the rest of the time?

(b) The way to make money in the market is to buy low and sell high. Buy quality companies when they're out of favor, then sell them at high multiples of price-to-earnings? That's a pretty simple buy low/sell high strategy.

Day traders burn out or fade away. I know I'm on the edge of burn-out. Investors make money more consistently.

41 comments:

  1. 2nd -- Are you OK man??? You sound kind of crazy..

    "I would determine the difference between our respective outlooks is more than just time frame. From what you say it's this: you believe in objective fundamental value and one's ability to determine it. I don't. What I do believe in is human beliefs and emotions reflecting themselves in the charts to a degree where they can be read and exploited."

    The last quote was one of Vad's responses to someone (probably here)...

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  2. Kyle-

    There are poker players who make a living at it.

    Vad found a niche he's able to consistently exploit. But I doubt more than 1% of his students do as well. It's like any other game.

    There's more to the game than 'outlook' or time frame. No one trades like you. No one trades like me. You could be looking over someone's shoulder, and he/she still wouldn't come close to trading the way you do. The 'x' factor? A combination of innate ability/talent, instinct, drive/ambition and experience that cannot be duplicated, nor can it be taught.

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  3. 2nd -- Agree. That sounds more like the 2nd_ave from back in 05-07 that I remember.

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  4. Kyle- Sheesh. We all change over time.

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  5. 2nd -- Yes we Do; CSCO/MSFT/INTC may be no better than IBM in '92. Before they self-destructed and they needed a Lou Gerstner to put them back together again.

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  6. Or they could follow in DELL's footsteps and climb 45% over the next 8 months.

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  7. Vad's niche is one I do not aspire to. I call it very, very short term trading. It would drive me nuts but I guess he keeps his sanity.

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  8. I pine for the 2nd ave of 1976.Shaggy hair, Polyster butt hugging Bell bottoms, platform shoes with a puffy shirt buttoned at the navel. Economy sucked then too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drGMeIk8Q4I&feature=related

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  9. Nice fimd, rb. Can't say I've ever worn a pair of polyester bell bottoms, but I had one pair that was white with grey stripes. Wore it over a pair of brown boots.

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  10. Platform shoes? No way. Zip-up Dingo boots, though.

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  11. Speaking of Vad- this is the first week in 5 years I've gone more than a day without reading the CC blog.

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  12. Can't even recall the last time I clicked on SOH, for that matter.

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  13. You know, if the bull market thesis plays out, I could retire in 5 years. Not that I would. But I could go to work with a ---- you attitude.

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  14. 8 o'clock. Lights out. Friday nights they give us an extra 30 minutes. Later.

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  15. FYI-

    Friday post close data update. Dumb $ bullish % per ST has moved from 65% to 50% over the past few sessions. Smart money has gone from 42 to 46%.

    Good sign for the bulls.

    Smart money bottoms around 25 and peaks around 60.

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  16. I want a pair of those Dingos now! I would wear them with a license plate on the heel that said CLASSIC!

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  17. I haven't read CC in at least a week. I think I will post a Justin Bieber (The pride of Canada) on the sight until 2nds full reinstatement. Pass it on Anon!

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  18. 38 whole posts without 2nd. Lets see if Justin can double that number on Saturday?

    George Soros Divests in gold. Time to go long. Right?
    Submitted by bobbyo (640 comments) on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 00:45 #86228

    How come George Soros gets no love on this sight. Is 30 years of 30% per annum gains not good enough for you guys? So the best trader ever sells out at the top on gold. Why is gold not a short right now? Lower highs. Lower lows.. A short of GLD with a 148.26 stop looks like a great risk reward set up right now. In George I trust. My passion for George, Reminds me of this video from the pride of Canada.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOI4OF7iIr4

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  19. Field Report.
    Fresno, Ca.
    5/20/11 10.01 pm. pst.

    Don't listen to JB. This town is on fire...OK, at least the few chain restaurants we tried to eat at.

    Chicks out number guys and guys out number chicks based on total clothing worn.

    Cheap but nice hotels. Were at a Hilton and still don't know where she is.

    What's CC? Cochran Correction facility?

    Where's my bean.

    God willing, I'll make it out of here alive in time for the sharks game Sunday @ 12:00. Doors locked down tight.

    Peace out.

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  20. Go with the flow. Go swimming in the Kern irrigation ditch.

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  21. I have stories about country girls, but I am afraid CP will trump me.

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  22. Welcome bro! glad you made it down safely. If you think fresno is hopping just wait until you get out here to madera county, hold on to your hat!!

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  23. Well, it looks like I'm taking 2nd's spot as a short term/swing trader after spending the past 20 years as an investor....here's to hoping I make it into the 1% category....:)

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  24. Post About Soros Stirs Up Hornet's Nest

    And I don't think they liked the music either.

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  25. Soros - Assuming Soros sold his gold at $1570, he did the right thing. I bet he was reloading yesterday, and maybe over the next few weeks in preparation for the run to $1600 by Labor Day.

    I might buy some myself if the price craters for some reason, but I'll also be looking to buy other things as well if that happens, such as BEXP.

    Otherwise I'm comfortable with my current portfolio.

    That's the most acid I've ever seen anyone eat. Peace, love, dope, incense, crashpads, and Harvey Krishna all you groovy freaks!

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  26. Illi, I really know my readers over there.Like a linear function my inputs will get a predictable output. Don't know what the reaction will be to Justin though.

    George Soros a Nazi collaborator? Moronic statement of the day. new
    Submitted by bobbyo (641 comments) on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 11:53 #86234
    George Soros was 14 years old in 1944 and Jewish! He was not a general in the SS. What were you guys doing when you were 14? I know, while you were collaborating with a girlie magazine, George's whole country was destroyed and occupied by Nazis who wanted to kill him. I guess he should of just turned himself in.

    Now here is what Justin was doing when he was 14.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuWsWgTpIxo&feature...

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  27. Georgie Boy just put the rabbit back in the hat being the trader he is will be back 10 feet tall looking for someone to Love.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cfTMdjkYM

    PS Thanks to all our forefathers and fathers who fought against Nazi aggression and quest for world domination so we could experience the above times.

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  28. My you can't have it both ways Kamiu Post.

    Re: George Soros Divests in gold. Time to go long. Right?
    Submitted by bobbyo (642 comments) on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 12:29 #86237 (in reply to #86229)
    Kaimu,

    Dosen't your lack of respect for George's trading ability give my main thesis rock solid support. Time to short Gold now. You see George is not a trader but an insider that manipulates markets with his insider buddies. They manipulate gold from 1000 to 1500 then divest. I guess you could say i substitute the old trading maxim of "don't fight the Fed." To "don't fight George the Nazi collaborator."

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  29. Joe,
    Not that Joe isn't a really great name. I was wondering what happened to your slightly more dynamic ultra ego.

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  30. Robear, actually I like Telestar3d better, but the

    "Comment as:" box

    when you post your name/identity no longer gives me the option of signing in using my handle or an anonymous option for that matter. So I come in under Google which defaults to my name.

    Do you have this issue? t3d

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  31. I sign on through google also, but somehow it remembers my nickname. Instead of my username. Maybe you can change settings on your google profile.

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  32. Yogi Bear, good idea, I'll try it. Going to the beach, later. t3d

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  33. 2nd_ave -- you seem to agree that market will still be volatile, but at the same time you are holding all your money in buy-and-hold, right? When I said I am doing "buy-and-hold" of ECU, I still had a little more cash to invest in case it takes a dump (which it did, and I promptly added to my positions) and also possible "lateral moves" that I could make from less volatile to more volatile stocks if the whole mining sector were to collapse (which it did, and I moved out of GLD/GDXJ into ECU/GMO). My point is: if you decide to do "buy-and-hold," then it is a mathematical fact that your EXPECTED long-term gain will be maximized if you invest at most 2/3 of your cash and stand ready to keep adding to your positions in small chunks if your positions pull back. Is that your plan?

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  34. ILLI you are turning a sinner into a saint. I predict your post will be ignored or open society will be pooh pooed as a communist attempt at one world govt.

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  35. Yeah, lets let them get their jollies off by whipping GS. Maybe it will release some venom and underscore how "un-open" they are. I like to keep track of who is a wing-nut.

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  36. Besides, I happen to like George and appreciate what he does in his Open Society Foundation.

    http://www.soros.org/about/faq

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  37. "You know, if the bull market thesis plays out, I could retire in 5 years. Not that I would. But I could go to work with a ---- you attitude. "

    Is it bad I have this attitude already at work and I'm like 30 years from the normal retirement age?

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  39. Soros is not involved in day to day activities of the fund. The investment manager sold a $650 million position in GLD. Most people here know that this is an inferior way to take a position in gold, although very liquid.

    Here are his funds top 5 holdings:

    AGRO
    IOC
    SPY, put
    LWSN
    CDNS

    From a source:

    "George Soros’ hedge fund sold 98% of
    its previously gigantic $650 million position in
    the SPDR Gold Trust. They also completely
    exited their position in the iShares Gold Trust
    (IAU). In other words, the runaway headline
    here is: Soros sells gold. In a market where
    commodities have been decimated as of late,
    Soros exited stage left swiftly before the
    carnage. While other prominent hedge fund
    managers still hold gold (David Einhorn, Dan
    Loeb, John Paulson), it will be interesting to see
    if this megamind’s maneuver away from the
    precious metal entices other fund managers to
    do the same. It’s doubtful, though, considering
    that the above managers largely bought gold as
    protection from inflation and uncertainty.
    Soros, on the other hand, bought gold largely as
    a hedge against deflation. And given the fact
    that deflationary concerns have largely receded,
    it makes sense that Soros would exit their position.
    In addition to exiting gold, the hedge
    fund also trimmed positions in various gold
    miners such as Kinross Gold (KGC) and
    NovaGold (NG)."

    Maybe this information will help some members of this blog come to their own conclusion as to what they be doing with respect to their gold or potential gold positions. As for me, my core position stays in place and will for a long time till the US gets its house in order.

    Disclousre: Long AGRO t3d

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