Sunday, August 7, 2011
08/07/11 Desperado
In the nineties I watched the price of my home drift down for five long years before Bay Area real estate went parabolic for the next ten.
In 2001 I bought PTR in the low twenties based on the fact that Buffett was accumulating. It promptly sold off into the teens, and I was happy to unload it for a price in the mid twenties. PTR hit 250 about 5 years later.
I lay awake this morning wondering why the current market sell off finds me paradoxically in a great mood. It's because I've seen this movie so many times it sends a chill up my spine every time we hit Desolation Row.
Don't let anyone talk you out of buy-and-hold, bro. I can almost hear them pleading for us to come down off our fences before it's too late.
I transitioned into buy-and-hold mode in early May- 'bad timing' from a short-term perspective. But consider the following:
(a) In 1987, I was in the midst of applying to graduate business schools, and actively following the markets on a daily basis.
(b) My IRA was fully invested in October 1987.
(c) In mid-October, the DJIA sold off -12% from the August high.
(d) The short term pain caused many investors to sell.
(e) On October 19, the DJIA dropped another -22% to 1739. My portfolio was down over -35%!
(f) For a few weeks, it certainly 'felt' as if investors who bailed the previous week did the right thing. Unfortunately, many of them never reinvested. Partly because the market rebounded so quickly it never allowed them an 'easy' reentry point.
(f) Twelve years later, in January 2000, the DJIA hit an intraday high of 11,908. My IRA was still fully invested.
Now it's August 2011, and the DJIA has corrected -10%. I don't sense an inordinate degree of panic, so we may well see more downside the next few weeks.
There are no guarantees, of course. But the odds are on my side.
In the meantime-
Now it seems to me, some fine things
Have been laid upon your table
But you only want the ones
That you can't get
-let's get on with our lives.
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@Dan_Dicker hey dan what do u thk px action will be on monday ... http://twitter.com/#!/GrassoSteve
ReplyDeleteHere's my take on Monday - my portfolio 35% stocks - on open of -500, I sell bonds to make that 50%, on -1000, 65% ... http://twitter.com/#!/Dan_Dicker
Stock twits is real nervous about the open of futures. There talking down 5% ect. I think they will be flat. maybe they should read 2nd.
ReplyDeletefutues hammered, 128k contracts already in the ES...hold on to your seats, the overnight session will be wild
ReplyDeleteJb you going to trade this shit>
ReplyDeleteHey RB - I'm watching right now, I do expect a run back up some time soon so I will probably try to catch that, but right now it's moving too fast.
ReplyDeleteAre you going to try tonight?
I expect a bounce also, but i think it would be smarter to play the downward trend. I am making pennies playing the bounces when they are handing out dollars to people playing the down trend. This market has brainwashed us into expecting a turnaround the last two years, but a bearded wonder appearance.
ReplyDeletebut a bearded wonder appearance scares me out of being short. I have been caught in bad situations already.
ReplyDeleteyeah, that's a big problem - a news blip can snap everything around in a second....gonna crack of a beer, or ten instead of trading tonight.
ReplyDeletebe careful RB
DJIA futes -258 right now.
ReplyDeleteMake that -282.
ReplyDeletecr*p, did you see that little bounce back up in the ES, RB? That's all I was looking for, 65-72.5
ReplyDeleteYes that's the range. It would be good money if you can play that. i think I will not trade, but may play a 73 break if we get some consolidation ala Cup and Handle
ReplyDeleteNeed 1170 to hold for a higher low and we may get a pop above 73
ReplyDeleteNikkei -359 points.
ReplyDeleteStopped out. Probably will be a rinse.
ReplyDeleteSorry, guys. That -359 was last Friday. Nikkei isn't open for trading yet.
ReplyDeleteDavid- Two movie recommendations, both available for instant download:
ReplyDeleteCronicas.
I Witness.
Somebody post this over on CC if you want to create an uproar:
ReplyDelete"Remember when Dupont was selling munitions to the US government to fight our stupid war in Vietnam and at the same time selling munitions to the North Vietnamese from their factory in Austria? And if they hadn't have developed that #$%&@ Nylon we'd be still growing and smoking Hemp!"
Love the bearishness I'm reading out there...market down 15 pct = end of world cuz Mkt has never seen a drop like this and recovered before.
ReplyDeleteRisk on, I believe. No reason to stay in dollars.
ReplyDeleteWLT - Oversold?
ReplyDeleteVery strange morning.
ReplyDeleteLet's see, the US $ is downgraded.
So the US 2 and 10 year bonds hit record lows and the US $ goes up against major currencies meaning that people want US $ and especially US government bonds.
Gold rockets up meaning people are afraid of the US $.
Oil goes down meaning people are afraid for world economic growth.
The S&P futures are all over the place, but down meaning people don't want to own US businesses.
So the net is because the US government was downgraded, people are so afraid they pay more than ever for US government bonds and sell US businesses which weren't downgraded and are having another really good quarter.
Also interesting that Colin Twiggs is very bearish:
ReplyDelete"There may be a short retracement early in the week, but strong selling is expected to overwhelm support. On August 3rd I gave the probability of a down-turn as 75 percent. The odds are now about as close to 100 percent as you will ever get."
But bc, who used to always promote twiggs, is calling for a rally.
"But at the end of the day, corporate earnings and cost of capital are what investors find most important in pricing equities. Earnings are in good shape and cost of capital is abnormally low, so the future for equity prices is very positive, in my view."
The overnight session in the ES was wild, wish I had pulled the trigger more often as it is unusual to see this much vol/volatility in the globex.
ReplyDeletewill need to wade in and doing some buying since the recent declines (and zero income) has messed up my AA.
good hunting today boys
Dan_Dicker ( http://twitter.com/#!/Dan_Dicker )
ReplyDelete-2.5% in $SPX is perfect -- for doing nothing. Not enough to signal the full flush out, too much to be comfortable selling into - waiting
There must be a ton of 'sell at the market' orders called in to brokers over the weekend, waiting to be executed at the open.
ReplyDeleteI hate to say it. But I'm leaning towards siding with Twiggs.
ReplyDeleteKyle- Isn't Dicker primarily an energy trader.
ReplyDeleteBro. I have SPX S2 as 1144. You?
ReplyDeleteDr. Wish nixes fundamental analysis this morning:
ReplyDelete"So, what do we know right now? First, we now know why the market had so much trouble rebounding from the debt deal mess. Insiders who knew what S&P was about to do unloaded stocks or took up short positions last week. That is the nature of the stock market. This shows the folly of fundamental analysis. Earnings of many companies are good and PE ratios are low, so the fundamentals of the markets are quite good. But that means nothing! PE ratios will probably get even lower this week. It is investor psychology that drives stocks, cycling from extreme optimism and greed to fear and panic. The use of fundamental analysis alone misleads us. Only technical analysis can warn us of a change in trend. As Darvas wrote, it allows us to discern what insiders are doing. I therefore always concentrate on the direction the market is moving."
http://wishingwealthblog.com/
I will probably remain on the sidelines today and take the hits. About 20% cash.
If I had any cash left, I'd be buying right now.
ReplyDeleteWFC green.
ReplyDeleteIt was pretty bleak in the fall of 1987. It kind of feels that way now.
ReplyDeletelocals long, commercials still selling, have no idea what to make of it
ReplyDelete4155 short 6E
They've cleared most of the 'sell my positions at the market Monday morning' orders.
ReplyDeletesh*t, stopped out...now comms are buying! unreal action in the ES, since yesterday at 3
ReplyDeletejb- I don't know what to make of it either. But consider the possibility that professional traders know little more than you right now.
ReplyDeleteMissed a dollar move in BEXP. In between supports.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I think the ONLY way to navigate this terrain is buy-and-hold. Cash is a close second- but you'd better be on your toes in terms of buying back in.
ReplyDeletedoing some buying, added PID at 14.51, order in for FFNOX, will look to buy SPY too once things settle some
ReplyDelete2nd - that's for sure!
ReplyDeleteTaking a hit? Take the ----ing hit. It'll help you appreciate the future gains- it's not/won't be easy money at all.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine going to war and spending two years in St. Louis? Vs two years in Afghanistan. If you want a trading career worth talking about, you want to be the guy in Afghanistan.
ReplyDelete2nd wave here.
ReplyDeletelimit order in for SPY at 117.25
ReplyDeleteInvestors have been dropping like flies. Stand your ground and walk away in a few weeks with your head high.
ReplyDeleterebekah will cr*p her pants when she finds out I've been buying equities this morning.
ReplyDeleteNo, man. She'll be beaming in 4 years when they've paid for 4 years of college.
ReplyDelete117.25. S1 on the button. GL!
ReplyDeleteif 4 years from now my kid is still in college then I'm doomed! now, if it pays for an RV (yuck), then she'll be beaming...LOL!
ReplyDelete4173 long 6E
ReplyDeleteoff at 4174, 6e not tradeable by me, forget...could pop but the timer ran out
ReplyDeletethat's weird just got an error msg, my order wasn't filled, gotta call chicago
ReplyDeleteno more futures today, systems getting strained
ReplyDeleteYou're probably not the only guy getting error msgs this morning.
ReplyDeleteBEXP reports AH and I suspect it to be good. KOG had a good report Friday and has been hit hard. Fundamentals being ignored by market now.
ReplyDelete2nd - major slippage in the TF, 6E is going nuts and the vol on ES is crazy...HFT dominating the scene
ReplyDeletemy spy order filled at 117.25, fido seems to be a bit strained too. done for the day
ReplyDeletewell clearly the world is going to hell in a hand basket.
ReplyDeletei'm off to find scraps for the call...squirrel should work well.
scraps for the cat that is.
ReplyDeleteGap fill for COOL.
ReplyDeleteMark > Let's be honest, everything has filled their gaps...and then some. I'm pretty close to creating a gap in my underwear
ReplyDeletecommercials hammering the ES, tons of stops just hit
ReplyDeleteis limit down on the ES 38 today?
ReplyDeletegoldman sucks has been a huge seller in the ES
ReplyDeleteOnly 73:1 negative breadth on the Nasdaq. RSI (14) on SPY is 19, which is lower than the lowest lows in 2008/2009. RSI(7) is 8...I'm not kidding. 8. It has never from what I've seen been below 15.
ReplyDeletelimit down on the cash would actually be 1078
ReplyDeleteRAS off 20%. Sub $1 before RS.
ReplyDeleteVXX above 40.
ReplyDeleteThere's only one day I have found a lower RSI(7): the day of the October 1987 crash. Selling here? That's an emotional trade.
ReplyDeleteSPX going for S2. 1144.
ReplyDeleteTrading with your head vs trading with your heart....if you're negative here then it's the latter. Think of it this way...you walk by the Apple store every day, eyeing that sweet MacBook Air. You look at the price tag: $2,500. F@ck that! Today you walk by the store: $1,999. Do you wait for lower prices or do you just buy the damn drop?
ReplyDeleteNo you buy when it crosses back to $2001 or wait for it to be $1599.
ReplyDeleteRB - I'm afraid we won't get that chance to buy it when it crosses back to $2,001...i guess that's part of the problem over the past several years: the intervention causes these massive overnight spikes that make entry points harder. If I were to sell here and follow that rule, there's no saying that we won't gap up over 1,200 tomorrow...
ReplyDeleteBAC could be on its way to becoming a $5 stock, wow that's unreal
ReplyDeleteRather, I think the economy is not as weak as the media and traders are saying it is. Have we had a soft patch? Sure. But it's not a soft patch with contraction type econ reports. In fact, from the reports in housing and jobs things actually seem to be improving, God forbid. I think a drop of 16% in stocks compensates for this.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what to think. I believe a doomsday economist would say it is a monetary and governmental structural issue and has nothing to do with the economy. Remember this one a liquidity issue. Europe got their Fix (howitzer lol) and no immediate effect. Headlines are popping up about QE3, but what is Ben going to do? Can't lower interest rates. Buy T-notes? Everyone else has beat him too it. Personally I'm for him giving every american $50,000. Market would certainly rally on that. Why should bankers be the only one getting stimulus?
ReplyDeleteI've said this before and on a day like today it bears repeating:
ReplyDeleteGod wouldn't have created morning and beer if He hadn't meant for us to enjoy them together.
RB - It's funny to me that people see a 15% drop in equities and automatically assume the world is going to end. I mean how many times have equities dropped this much over the course of the past 100+ years? Each time I'm sure people were saying that this time is different...now it's global excessive debt issues, but each period had its own issues that made things seem just awful. Yet each time we rallied to higher highs.
ReplyDeletetof- Humans are programmed to panic. That's why we panic.
ReplyDelete2nd - Yep absolutely and it's funny that during times of calm people rationalize that they will buy the dip and be rational, but when the market drops quickly they continue to make the same mistakes as they did in the past.
ReplyDeleteBTW - WNC just registered a RSI(7) of 3. I have honestly never seen a level that low. Ever. Including the worst oversold stocks in 2008. Crazy!
TOF Very True. Why then must there be central bank interference every time we go down a wee little 15%? Markets need to get off the junk. Best thing that could happen is Ben say loud and clear QE 3 is not happening. We would get an initial flush, but, a rock solid bottom. The selling does not seem like capitulation because it is not. You, me and Bobby Magee thinks there is going to be some central bank stimulus and a turnaround. So we buy the dips not to miss the pop. I am just worried there will be a weak stimulus and the pop will be in the wrong direction ala Europe last week.
ReplyDeleteRB - Actually governments have been injecting stimulus / backstopping things for hundreds of years. I remember coming across an article written in the NY Times I think or some big paper from the 1930's and you could honestly just re-date it with today's date and everything would have applied.
ReplyDeleteLastest from Jeff Saut:
http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/us-credit-downgrade-august-2011-stock/8/8/2011/id/36207?page=full
"Meanwhile, we are wasting a terrific earnings season with 61% of companies reporting beating estimates, while 68% beat revenue estimates. The result has left the S&P 500’s (SPX) earnings estimates for this year nestled around $100 and pushing toward $114 for 2012. If those estimates prove correct, at last week’s intraday low (1168.09), the SPX was trading at a PE multiple of 10.3x next year’s earnings, with an Earnings Yield of ~9.8% ($114 / 1168), leaving the Equity Risk Premium for stocks at ~7.4% (Earnings Yield – 10 year T-note yield of 2.4%) for the highest ERP in a generation. "
Got to run out of people to sell at some point.
ReplyDeleteI think most investors know its a bad risk/reward to sell here, so must be just panic selling and margin calls at this point.
I could see us bouncing along here a bit, then a bit of buying pressure comes in and we start back up.
Even Tim Knight at SlopeofHope is calling himself a bull down here.
ReplyDeleteDowngrade - S&P (Rich People) recommended to raise retirement age (to 69, LOL!) or eliminate tax break for high income earners (Rich People).
ReplyDeleteRB - "I am just worried there will be a weak stimulus and the pop will be in the wrong direction ala Europe last week."
ReplyDeleteI can certainly relate to that! However, corporate America in 2008 was over leveraged and now they're cash "rich" and making "good" profit. They can buy their own shares and go private at some point, right?
wow...what a weak market man.
ReplyDeleteTOF - And getting weaker by the minute. Man oh Man!
ReplyDeleteMiners are no place to hide except for some of the big gold producers.
ReplyDelete"I hate to say it. But I'm leaning towards siding with Twiggs."
ReplyDelete"If I had any cash left, I'd be buying right now."
These two comments seem contradictory, 2nd_ave. :) The *were* separated by 20 minutes, so toward which of these comments is your opinion leaning to now? :)
Moly metal is the worst of the worse.
ReplyDeleteOh boy, no confidence...
ReplyDeleteI'm still holding the cash and heeding Twiggs, Dr. Wish and Vad.
ReplyDeleteI think BC is right that in a few weeks we'll get responses from all central banks, and these responses *may* reduce the fear in people. In any case, I just raised some cash by selling at $7.25 the 1000 shares of MITK I purchased at $5.90 a while ago, and bought 4 September 2011 $36 puts on VXX at $6.50 each.
ReplyDeleteWell, I do have a small amount of cash left, but I was planning on using that for ammunition if the world took a crap.
ReplyDeleteLooks like I'll be needing ammunition, not stocks...
David- Not contradictory at all. I think Twiggs is correct about standing in front of a steamroller. But I like buying when traders are getting steamrolled.
ReplyDeleteHolly crap, what did Obama say?
ReplyDeleteIf investors were giving the House/Senate a xxxx you last week, which the average politician brushed off, then this week it's 'No, XXXX you!'
ReplyDeleteSSO @ 38.28
ReplyDeleteThe spike we are having in VIX is very impressive on its 2-year chart -- we have reached the spike top of the 2010 Flash Crash already (the ^VIX data is delayed at Yahoo, but I am sure ^VIX is above 45 now). While the world economy might be entering a recession now and the stock market might be in a real downtrend for the next year, ^VIX does not have such a notion as an "uptrend" -- it only has spikes that last a few days.
ReplyDeleteOff @ 39.
ReplyDeleteYou're probably right, David, but this market is pricing in some serious shit. The question is- what is it pricing in?
ReplyDeleteAs I have realized, in this "spiked" VIX environment, shorting VXX (say via puts) is not such a bad idea. It tracks the two front month futures on ^VIX, and when ^VIX goes down, those futures will go down as well. ^VIX cannot remain flat here -- it either spikes up 20% tomorrow or drops down 20%. If its spikes 20% more tomorrow, then I'll buy more puts on VXX -- I haven't used up all the money yet that I raised from selling MITK.
ReplyDeleteBAC - Headed towards $3...
ReplyDeleteI think in a few months we'll be looking at the ^VIX spike we are having and we'll be talking about it like we were about the Flash Crash spike and the Japanese Earthquake spike. That will be "The US Downgrade Spike."
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, I generally trust my emotional responses. My emotional response to this sell off has been mostly positive- that is, I like the sell off. I'm not sure what that translates into, other than the fleeting thought that once it rebounds, it will rebound in a manner that reflects confidence in the stock market.
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm not sure if I saw this correctly but I think I saw the Nasdaq breadth at -120:1, which would mark the lowest reading ever. I also saw SPY's RSI(7) hit 6. Wow.
ReplyDelete"what did Obama say?"
ReplyDeleteNot much at all, just insisted the US is AAA, not AA+/-. Guess that was the problem.
Remember all the 'anxiety' that was out there re the rally off the '09 lows? This kind of works it off.
ReplyDeleteJust this morning KCBS featured a segment on fund managers with great past track records who had taken a fall, but were likely to rebound this year. Bill Miller was one of them, along with two others. All favored financials and technology. BAC and C were mentioned as favorites. Just goes to show the kind of pummeling one needs to be able to take in order to earn legendary status.
ReplyDeleteI think traders are also forcing Bernanke's hand ahead of the Tuesday 'no-material-change-in-policy' meeting, as in '---k that, we want a few material changes, bro!'
ReplyDeleteIf you're able to, try to enjoy the sell off. It's yet another experience you will look back on one day with appreciation.
ReplyDeleteIf that's not your thing, consider that more than a few bankers are experiencing 'karma' today.
ReplyDeleteProbably not much else I can say to make anyone taking a hit feel better. You know I went through this in 1987, again during the Asian financial crisis/LTCM, and again during 2008/09. It's worth noting that during all three 'events' I was fully invested.
ReplyDeleteRAS CEO bought and filled today. That's unusual.
ReplyDeletePFF - Anybody?
ReplyDeleteDavid, take a look at http://www.freestockcharts.com/ they have live quotes (well, most of the time, today they were a couple of minutes behind) and you can track the VIX there as well as all you other stocks. Much better charting than Yahoo in my opinion.
ReplyDelete2nd > thanks for the pep talk! Now when is Laz gonna post here?
ReplyDeleteI definitely regret taking a big position in WNC and buying the dip in BTU....both are about 15 to 20% underwater in 3 days. Craziness. But I still think we will look back at this and reminisce about how we didn't get shaken out during the crash of 2011 much in the same way people who didn't get shaken out of the crash of 87 were rewarded just a short while later...
Just goes to show you how hard it is to outperform long term. Bill Miller had a great record, bought stocks using his own approach that was non-standard and overweighted stocks he thought would do well - all things you need to do to outperform, but turned out he was just riding on overwieght financial position and a couple of hot tech stocks.
ReplyDeleteBy the end of this cycle, the hot managers will be those that overweighted gold and other commodities, but most won't make the transition to the market changes after that (probably a few years still).
Man, that little pop in ANR is getting nailed.
ReplyDeleteANR @ 27.30.
ReplyDeleteJNJ - It that gap up closed now and a double bottom in place?
ReplyDeleteNah, off @ 27.40.
ReplyDeleteANR- Wow!! That was Fing lucky.
ReplyDeleteLooks like this bounce is failing as well and we are getting another 500 point drop on the Dow.
ReplyDeleteNot fun, but probably build a better long term bottom.
interesting what i just heard: dividend yield vs treasury yield; S&P yield at 1,100 is greater than the treasury yield. however, in looking back i don't think this is a great corollary to peaks/troughs in markets:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bespokeinvest.com/thinkbig/2010/8/18/dow-dividend-yield-versus-10-year-treasury-yield.html
That was more than a weak day.
ReplyDeleteS&P - Lost 6.66%, huh?
ReplyDeletethe market is down 15% in one week...down to 1,117 after hours from 1,305 at the open last week.
ReplyDeleteon the bright side it could be worse: the market dropped 25% in one day in 1987
TNA - -26%, LOL!
ReplyDeleteHey, I guess reserve currency outweighs moral hazard. Too bad, I don't see what's so important about the reserve currency, it seems like more of a liability than anything else.
"Downgrade Is Likely to Add Urgency to Debt-Cutting Panel" (NYT)
ReplyDeleteThat headline shows me how the downgrade may be just the latest event in a series starting with end of QE , bad economic news, then the debt ceiling fiasco. All leading to the conclusion, in my mind, that a recession is guaranteed and the Gov will he helpless to perk things back up. The US economy will falter more severely when spending is cut, particularly the defense industry. Might be good for the long run but painful in between.
Throw in the troubles in Euroland as another ongoing event that riled the markets/banks recently.
ReplyDeleteThe whole panic regarding the US downgrade, I think, is related to the fact if Moody and Fitch follow S&P, then pension funds won't be able to hold US Treasuries (not rated AAA) and will start selling them, causing yields to spike. However, Bernanke was debating in 2009 as to whether he should place a cap onto Treasuries. How exactly would it work? If it is possible, then he will announce tomorrow that he will do it if yields start to spike up. Such an announcement should calm down the market.
ReplyDeleteCap - FED just guarantees to buy unlimited T's to keep rates capped, flattens curve, I believe.
ReplyDeletePension funds can still hold AA+ if they change their rules, which they probably would.
QE - Seems like the Treasury market is front running Bernanke in anticipation he's going to buy their paper at high prices.
Well they've already run up the prices, what happens if he calls their bluff and says no QE?
The purpose of QE-3 was to keep rates low, and it seems to have worked, and some would say the economy has improved, although employment figures haven't.
I'm not sure what to believe in at this point.
I just scheduled a call with ECU's president tomorrow at 11am. I want to find out what exact steps they have taken and are planning to take in order to bring their two existing mills to 1100 tpd operation. If they can do it, then ECU at $0.60 is going to be a buy of the century...
ReplyDeleteDon't really see why they would want to do a QE3 now. The economy is doing not that bad and rates are lower than when QE2 was on.
ReplyDeleteIf the Fed wants to help here, I'd say the best idea would be to figure out a way to help Europe get their issues resolved. In the US, it's not expensive money slowing things down.
well, the market did it...it sold off below what we all thought was the bottom...and it did it with authority.
ReplyDeletehowever, volume on this drop was even higher than friday and the highest since the fall 2008 selloff, which was in a market with more leverage than today's market (so i think it wouldn't be possible for volume to be as high). also the VIX is clearly signaling panic. that straight drop lower in the afternoon sure looked like panic. and the RSI readings are off the charts. at the lows today i only saw two days where the RSI(7) was at the same level:
1987 crash
1941 when germany invaded poland
market crashing after hours...the rubber band might just snap. wow.
ReplyDeleteES was 1 point away from hitting 20% down from highs just now
ReplyDeleteTOF: I guess the downgrade of US debt puts us on the same plate with the two momentous events you mentioned... We are indeed living through historic events now! Somehow, they are just happening all too often for the past 3 years...
ReplyDeleteMarket? Crashing after hours? SPY is down only 0.61%, which is noise relative to today's drop...
ReplyDeleteDavid > well the good news is that in both times and in fact after every major panic we have ever known, the market has eventually rebounded and turned into a period of euphoria, giving people that bought during the dips a tremendous return on their money over time. my guess is it happens again.
ReplyDeleteMoving away from equities which are selling off across the board....the Ted Spread + Copper are not exactly confirming the move down in the markets.
ReplyDelete"the Ted Spread + Copper are not exactly confirming the move down in the markets."
ReplyDeleteSo we are not actually going lower. :)
"David, take a look at http://www.freestockcharts.com/ they have live quotes (well, most of the time, today they were a couple of minutes behind) and you can track the VIX there as well as all you other stocks. Much better charting than Yahoo in my opinion."
ReplyDeleteThanks, BB Canada -- I'll bookmark the VIX chart there!
VIX finished up 50% today, bringing it ABOVE the highest point it reached in 2009...
ReplyDelete"well the good news is that in both times and in fact after every major panic we have ever known, the market has eventually rebounded and turned into a period of euphoria"
Shorting VXX is a strategy that is not dependent on the market rebounding. Even if S&P drops to 1000 tomorrow and stalls there as a new fair level for the next recession, VIX will drop and will take VXX with it.
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