Most banks and loan brokers require homes be inspected for wood destroying pests before financing a loan. The report is usually based on a visual inspection of the property, and will note (a) the presence of termites, carpenter ants, or rot, (b) evidence of their activity, and/or (c) conditions conducive to pests (direct contact between earth and wood, leaks, standing water).
No such report is required for banks and brokerages selling portfolio destroying assets. We're left to seek our own assurances prior to purchase. Let's take a brief 'visual' through this weekend's media reports for signs of instability in China.
(a) http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/16/china-icbc-idUSL3N0KQ1MT20140116
Jan 16 (Reuters) - Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, the world's largest bank by assets, said on Thursday that it has no plans to use its own money to repay investors in a troubled off-balance-sheet investment product that it helped to market.
"Regarding this unsubstantiated rumour, a situation completely does not exist in which ICBC will assume the main responsibility (for the trust product)," an ICBC spokesman told Reuters by phone on Tuesday.
'A situation completely does not exist?' I think that's 'bank speak' for 'sell ICBC.'
What's the 'developing situation' behind their statement?
The trust product, called "2010 China Credit / Credit Equals Gold #1 Collective Trust Product", used the funds it raised from wealthy investors in 2010 to make a loan to unlisted coal company Shanxi Zhenfu Energy Group Ltd.
But in May 2012, Zhenfu Energy's vice chairman, Wang Ping Yan, was arrested for accepting deposits without a banking licence.
Following an investigation, China Credit Trust told investors that Zhenfu Energy had taken out high-interest underground loans totaling 2.9 billion yuan, bringing its total liabilities to 5.9 billion yuan and threatening its ability to repay the trust loan.
China's coal industry has been battered by falling prices over the last year. Several other banks and trust companies are facing losses on loans to another coal company, Liansheng Resources Group.
I don't know about the banks, but that bothers me! Let's take a look at a 2-year chart of coal producers (KOL):
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=KOL+Interactive#symbol=kol;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;
That looks a lot like a chart of the homebuilders (XHB) between 2006 and 2008. A bunny slope about to drop off into a diamond slope.
(b) We've all seen the 'visuals' of China's pollution problem. China's corruption problem? No one on the outside really knows. The best we can do is monitor the behavior of insiders. If I were living in China and had the money to reside anywhere around the globe, would I stay or leave? What percentage of top-tier Chinese families are emigrating?
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-millionaires-leaving-the-country-2014-1
A new report shows that 64 percent of Chinese millionaires have either emigrated or plan to emigrate—taking their spending and fortunes with them. The United States is their favorite destination.
The report from Hurun, a wealth research firm that focuses on China, said that one-third of China's super rich—or those worth $16 million or more—have already emigrated.
The data offer the latest snapshot of China's worrying wealth flight, with massive numbers of rich Chinese taking their families and fortunes overseas. Previous studies show the main reasons rich Chinese are leaving is to pursue better educations for their kids, and to escape the pollution and overcrowding in urban China.
All emerging markets are not the same. It's a market of emerging economies, and going forward some will do better than others.
So, if Cha gets inro trouble, does it drag the world markets down with it like 1998 or does the money just flow to safer markets like the US and they go up?
ReplyDeleteIf I knew the answer to that question, I would be moving money accordingly. Knowing how the market likes to play games, I think we're just as likely to see a ST rally in the Shanghai Composite as an imminent crash. No idea on how either would affect US indexes.
DeleteI haven't really been thinking much about China in my analysis of the markets - my bullishness for 2014 is based mainly on 3 things:
Delete1. US economy is picking up speed
2. Europe economy has bottomed and getting better
3. Markets are reasonably priced and interest rates are low and I don't see anything on the horizon to drive them high
I just thought China wold keep plugging away with their 7% growth, plus or minus, but if China does have a major problem, and I really don't know that they do, but that could certainly cause some issues in the market this year.
My issue with the whole china thing is everyone is talking about it. When in history has a problem come up when everyone is talking about it?
DeleteThe internet has morphed into an infinity useful mechanism for resolving problems! I bet Soros is talking his book.
DeleteNeil Young (much like Bruce Springsteen) has a way of eliciting a flood of imagery with a few sparse lines. Three of the most 'spot on' songs written about the intersection of childhood and adulthood.
ReplyDelete(a) Sugar Mountain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2J5NzlB1Mc
(b) Philadelphia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xncxG46mL60
(c) Helpless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gKwjxF7ilI
I really like the Springer's new bridge song, it sounds so familiar, like an nice comfortable ez-chair. Betcha that chubby guy is slippery enough to squeak out of it, he won't win an election though, the smoke cloud is too thick.
DeleteICBC - "Too bad so sad, you bought this thing we needed to dump"
ReplyDeleteSounds like we should buy ICBC, they must know what they're doing! Yes, I know we can't..... not directly.
There's more of a writeup on ZH concerning the subject, and bunches of articles as well. Basically, the concern is over some kind of domino effect.
2nd, isn't you're brother over there somewhere, have your discussions with him helped you to make financial conclusions or are we all subject to biased news reports? If you have some deeper insight, I'd be interested.
Just this morning, some talking head was most concerned over India.
ReplyDeleteBridgestone is making their tires in Thailand, maybe I should own the THD ETF, damn, missed the panic attack opportunity!
ReplyDelete2nd - thanks for the links above. came across American Masters by PBS as a result and found some gems. Here's one:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHTJ08U_Fg
I invite your opinion about market prospects over the next three months
ReplyDeleteBy Jack Senett | Harp's Roadmap | Be the first to comment!
On September 26, 2011, Bill Cara responded to a member who posted a link in which a commentator stated the market was finished:
Bill said: “That guy in your link says the big players ‘know the market is toast’. Unbelievable statement. I totally disagree, and I have plenty of big players who I know agree with me. One of them, Toronto-based market strategist Harp Singh, a former leading securities trader on Wall Street, argues that the equity market is in fact ready to lift off, sending the Dow 30 about 30% higher within six months. I can assure you that the individual who was interviewed by BBC couldn’t hold a candle to Harp Singh in terms of knowledge or track record. I asked Harp to join us here with his reasons, but that will be his decision.”
—–
Here is my posting in Harp’s Roadmap, July 24, 2012
Next Movement of Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA)
Further to my analysis on the roadmap of Gold on May 24th, 2012, following is my prediction of DJIA’s upcoming price journey.
The current timeline & price point coordinates for DJIA are (July 3, 2012, 12943.82), DJIA is currently in its 3rd wave cycle; this is an elongated wave and will approach its cycle completion in the next 16 months.
DJIA will journey through this elongated third wave cycle and advance to 15600 between August 2013 to October 2013.
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Here is my posting in Harp’s Roadmap, December 12, 2012
Next Journey for the S&P 500 Index
The S&P 500 Index is currently in its 3rd wave. It approached the 1400 mark from its recent baseline and will now aim its next move toward the 1550 to 1575 mark. Once breaking through 1575 the S&P 500 Index will claim its climax of 1800 within 15 months from the current timeline in this wave cycle.
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I believe the next three months will play out pretty much as I expect, and I welcome your comment on this and anything else I post. ~ Harp
Harp’s disclaimer
The views and opinions expressed by me are solely my own; Cara Community members should not treat any opinion expressed by me as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy. No warranty or guarantee of any kind, expressed or implied, is given regarding the outcome analyzed by “Harp”.
So, I guess you guys are closed today, but we are open up here.
ReplyDeleteI bought a position in miner Ivanhoe Mines - IVPAF or IVN.TO.
For me, I think good management is important as well as the quality of the mine and you are not paying up for management like you have in the past with stocks like MUX. In fact, if you want a gold miner, getting it here with Rob McEwen still pushing it hard might now be a bad idea.
Ivanhoe is run by Robert Friedland, sometimes called "the most successful mining entrepreneur of his generation" and he's had good success in the past.
Invanhoe has 3 projects. 1) Platreef, the most important platinum discovery in 80 years. 2) Kamoa, an extraordinarily important copper discovery and 3) Kipushi, the worst deposit, is the highest grade copper/zinc mine on the planet.
They have a good presentation at: http://www.ivanhoemines.com/i/pdf/IVN_presentation_Dec_2013.pdf
It is still near the lows (unlike LUN.TO) and there is value there. They say a Japanese company purchased into the platinum mine alone at a value of $3 billion and the market cap for the whole company now is just over $1 billion.
No debt and a lot of work to bring these 3 projects to fruition, so a fair amount of risk here, especially if we get weak metals prices. But Friedland has done this before, and there should be good upside if they bring even one of these to full production.
Good summary writeup at seekingalpha:
Deletehttp://seekingalpha.com/article/1919991-ivanhoe-mines-multi-bagging-again
Funny I was looking at this company over the weekend. I do like the balance sheet. How much is their exposure to gold vs the other stuff they mine?
DeleteThe one concern I had, in addition to not really having a feel for the mining business which is why I have always stayed away, is that one of their mines is in the Congo and I'd have to imagine there's a lot of geopolitical risk there (and therefore it won't get a proper market multiple for this asset).
DeleteIVN - And, it hasn't run to 52wk highs yet!
DeleteKGC - I see this one managed to break out of it's current channel.
Mark was looking at these too a couple weeks back, forgot the ticker he was interested in.
AVP is having a rough go of it lately.
I still think SYNC is one of the ones to keep an eye on for a huge turnaround.
ReplyDeleteTZOO is still on my radar as well. Been basing for almost 30 months now. Hotel booking platform about to be launched. There's a reason it won't go down below $20.
Blackberry rocking today in Canada.
ReplyDeletehttp://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=BB.TO&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p37699306099
Couple of things to note on that chart:
(1) Look at the uptrend in MACD from the lows in August 2011 despite the downtrend in the price continuing until it hit bottom in fall 2012. That's a positive divergence that I usually like to look for as a sign that selling is drying up.
(2) Same as MACD look at the divergence in RSI(14). Lows in July/August 2011 that were never breached again.
I like seeing these in the weekly charts. Just a first hint that people have exhausted their selling. You tend to notice this divergence in most bottoms. You can see this in all of the shipping charts (BALT, DRYS, DSX, NM etc), you saw this in the solars (CSIQ, SPWR, etc), the china larger cap stocks, the steel stocks (X, AKS....), aluminum stocks (AA, ACH) and you're starting to see it in the coal stocks (ANR, ACI). I see it in SYNC, the china pos small caps (ONP, GPRC, LIWA, BORN, GURE).
Some others with this positive divergence:
DeleteNIHD
GDX
BSBR
PBR
DXM
JCP - too early but it's a candidate to watch
CHOP
ACW
RSH
CALX
FIO
In the same vein, MCP, GNK, EGLE, and CAT all look great.
DeleteBasically everything tied to China is bottoming...Take a look at the Shanghai Index:
DeleteRising RSI / MACD since late 2011 despite bottom not being hit until June 2013.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p89490649082
Sure looks like an inverted head and shoulders being formed over past 14 months. All of this while sentiment is horrible. Makes you wonder why so much negative information is being published about China huh? What are the implications of a booming Chinese market over the next 24 months?
Yeah, I also noticed the media waited for Shanghai to sell off before getting bearish.
DeleteANV - This was the one Mark was watching.
ReplyDeleteRe IVN.TO, the 3 projects are for Platinum, Copper and Zinc. There will be some gold by-products, but not really a focus. They are among the best deposits for each metal in the world.
ReplyDeleteYou are right that the DRC is a political risk. The Platinum mine is in South Africa, so not so much. The DRC is a mining country and they need mines for growth and foreign currency, so there is some support. IVN has committed to doing a bunch of work to get the communities on board and I'm hopeful with their experience in Mongolia and other places, they will know how to work this properly.
No doubt there is some risk here, but you also have value - the Japanese bought 10% of the platinum mine which valued that 1 mine in South Africa at triple the market cap of the company now, so even if that can be developed, the stock should be successful. Plus, the strong management to help drive things.
Plus, a lot of Canadian companies have had success in the DRC and some problems too, of course (see below). So I'm hopefult the Canada / DRC connection helps too.
"Predominant Canadian corporate presence. In mid-2012, the business database Datamonitor 360 (formerly MarketLine Business Information Centre) identified twenty-five international mining companies as being active in the D.R. Congo, including a plurality of nine Canadian-domiciled mining companies (African Metals Corporation, Africo Resources, Banro Corp., Delrand Resources - formerly BRC DiamondCore Ltd., El Niño Ventures Inc., First Quantum Minerals, Lundin Mining Corp., as well as Anvil Mining, misidentified as Australian, and Katanga Mining, misidentified as British); by comparison, five were registered in Australia (BHP Billiton, Erongo Energy, Green Machine Development Corporation, Mawson West Ltd., Tiger Resources), three from South Africa (African Rainbow Minerals, AngloGold Ashanti, Chrometco Ltd.), three in the United Kingdom (Eurasian Natural Resources Corporation, Mwana Africa, Randgold Resources), and one each from China (CIC Mining Resources Ltd., with Japanese Eco Energy Group's African subsidiary, Eco Project Company Ltd.), India (Jindal Steel & Power), Malaysia (Malaysia Smelting Corporation Berhad), Morocco (Managem SA) and the United States (Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold).[7] In 2011, the Congolese operations of two major companies, AngloGold Ashanti,[8][9] and BHP Billiton[10] were only in the exploration phase, whereas Canada had four companies undertaking large-scale commercial extraction for several years or more: Anvil Mining,[11] First Quantum Minerals,[12] Katanga Mining[13] and Lundin Mining.[14]"
It's a bit of a flier for me. I figure if mining gets better, stocks like this should outperform as people become less risk-sensitive and more greedy. There are many safer places to put your money in mining if you want to take some of these political risks off the table.
DeleteTOF,
ReplyDeleteEveryone is afraid of China and no-one is thinking good things can happen. Even if just OK things happen, could be enough. Stocks could easily lead sentiment in a situation like this.
TSX up over 100 today led by Blackberry, but gold miners, Cameco, doing well. Utilities and defensives weak.
ReplyDeleteyeah i've been watching. oh canada!
Deletejesse mentioned this:
ReplyDeletehttp://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$CPC&p=D&b=1&g=0&id=p14239318640
10 day moving avg for CBOE put/call ratio is quite low and fairly strongly inversely correlated with market. could signal a potential correction coming.
If you are interested in the gold market, BNN has John Emery, president of Sprott and one of the long time gold bugs on. FWIW - he's saying gold could double this year and now is the best time in his 40 years of investing he's seen for gold. Good guy and not one of the extremists.
ReplyDeletehttp://watch.bnn.ca/#clip1064684
Click on the segment at 5:30 and 5:40 and 5:50
Wish I had a dime each time I've heard that one, the US economy isn't tanking again is it?
DeleteIVPAF- I like the chart. Good pick.
ReplyDeleteLooks like JP Morgan upgraded AA this morning - up to $11.70 in pre-market.
ReplyDeleteAA had a great trendline of higher lows from 1975 to 2008 that broke in the financial crisis. If AA was above that trend now, it would be over $60. A long way from there now, but something to consider.
CIBC calling for Canada to outperform the US this year:
ReplyDeleteCanada’s other advantage flows from CIBC’s call that 2014 will be the first year since 2010 that the global economy surprises on the upside. The firms sees growth of about 4 per cent, half a point above IMF and consensus forecasts. “Historically, years in which global growth ran at 4 per cent or better were big winners for the cyclically weighted TSX,” CIBC writes. “Not only were median returns well above the S&P 500 in such years, but the TSX beat its U.S. counterpart in all of the past six years in which growth hit 4 per cent or higher.”
If CIBC is right, the story of the year on the TSX will be the rebound of the commodity sector. A pillar of strength in the years leading up to the global financial crisis, metals and energy have dragged down other better-performing sectors on the TSX lately. CIBC sees oil prices holding steady and says natural gas could hold onto recent gains. Base metals and lumber could move higher.
Gold won’t benefit from the brighter TSX outlook, unfortunately. Gold needs inflation in major economies and a weakening U.S. dollar, but CIBC doesn’t see either happening this year.
I bought some NiHD premarket
ReplyDeleteOK, I bought a 3K share starter in MCP @ 5.31
ReplyDeleteAdded NIHD long at $3.1299
ReplyDeleteCCJ - Made it through resistance, now let's see how the back test goes...
ReplyDeleteI hear GS likes aluminum, I bet they have a ton. I like nuclear better, it doesn't belch CO2 into the atmosphere and runs all night and day. 24hrs a day 365 days a year, aside from rod changes.
DeleteInteresting comments from Saut today, two things we talked about in the past couple of weeks:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.raymondjames.com/inv_strat.htm
"Over the past week, in my South Florida speaking tour to institutional accounts and individual investors, I have repeatedly been asked, “How can we have a secular bull market with the current sketchy environment?” My response has been, “The equity markets do not care about the absolutes of good or bad, but rather are things getting better or worse.” And, there is no doubt that things are getting better! Here’s the problem, the majority of investors have only been involved in the stock market for the past 15 years. Therefore, their shared experience is that what you had to do was buy a stock and then sell it when it had rallied 30% – 40%. Indeed, the majority of participants have not experienced what it is like to hold a portfolio of quality stocks during a true secular bull market like last seen in the 1982 to 2000 bull market affairs. Those who do remember, recall the preferred strategy was to buy “all the dips;” and if we get such a “dip,” following the anticipated rally into this month’s end (late January/early February), IMO ... it should bought!"
"Returning to the topic of the Dow Industrials (INDU), the INDU has recently been underperforming many of the other indices. Most notably, it has not joined the S&P 500 (SPX/1838.70) and NASDAQ Composite (COMP/4197.58) to new bull market highs. Moreover, as stated in past missives, the New Highs versus the New Lows ratio continues to trace out lower lows in the charts, suggesting fewer and fewer stocks are participating on the upside. While this is not necessarily an indication of a “top,” it does suggest the potential for a change in the market’s leadership. This has also become apparent in weakening Groups like Restaurants, Retail/Department Stores, Retail Clothing, etc. Strategically this is understandable because during economic contractions people don’t spend on houses, autos, boats, etc. and therefore have more money for restaurants and clothes, but during an expansion the exact opposite occurs. People buy houses, washing machines, etc. and have less money to spend on restaurants. And for those who do not think we are moving into an economic expansion, I would point you to the NFIB Small Business Survey referenced in last week’s report. In that report we saw the largest increase in firms expected to hire since late 2008. Likewise firms with one or more job openings rose to 23%, while firms anticipating capital equipment “spend” in the next few months was on the rise (+24%). All of this is consistent with our belief the economy is strengthening, earnings are improving, the consumer is in pretty good shape, the credit cycle is better, M&A is picking up, loan growth is improving ... well, you get the idea."
BALT - I guess I could always add to this one on weakness....
ReplyDeletefrustrating aint it!?
DeleteRight, I was worried it wasn't forming a bull flag, now maybe it will.... Sure wish they had nuclear powered ships, I'm so sick of them having to buy new ships just for fuel savings..
DeleteAnyway, today's line in the sand was $6.18, so if we have a few more days of weakness then maybe I'll just add around $5.80 or so..
INTC - Does this look like a tweezer bottom, otherwise couls be called a knockout?
ReplyDeleteThe one thing about INTC was they saw internally over a decade ago that communications devices were going to be the shizzle and did nothing about it. I sat in meetings where we discussed this, that INTC should be working on phone chips.
BSBR - Okay, now I'm in the red with this one but only a tiny bit, I guess it takes off this afternoon as it always seems to.
ReplyDeleteTD upgraded CCJ to buy today - target C$31.00. Not cheap on current metrics, but looking for $70 uranium longer term, plus have Cigar Lake coming on-stream which will be a huge addition for them. The breakout on CCO.TO is much better than CCJ. A couple dollar pullback with low volume would be ideal from my limited chart reading.
ReplyDeleteWe have lowered our uranium price deck slightly for the next two years.
But 2014 should be a pivotal year for the uranium market (Japanese
nuclear reactor restarts expected; HEU shipments have ended) and for
Cameco (Cigar Lake ramp up). After three years in the wilderness, we believe
that it is time to think about a positive turn in fundamentals for uranium and
for Cameco — we have upgraded Cameco to BUY and raised our target price
to C$31.00 (from C$22.00).
We expect sentiment towards the uranium market to improve over the
course of 2014 and 2015 with Japanese nuclear plant restarts in H2/14
underpinning an improved outlook. We expect a relatively tight
supply/demand balance in the uranium market in 2014 as a result of:
(1) Lost production from a number of mines, including ERA’s Ranger
mine in Australia, Areva’s operations in Niger and Rio Tinto’s Rossing
mine in Namibia (all of which have faced operating challenges over the
past two months),
(2) The end of the HEU Agreement on December 31, 2013, and
(3) Production expansion delays recently announced by Russian and
Kazakh producers.
There are other uranium plays which may have more torque. Uranium company Palladin (PDN-T) announced that it has signed an agreement with China National Nuclear Corp. (CNNC) to sell a 25% joint venture equity stake in its flagship Langer Heinrich uranium mine in Namibia for $190mm. Helps their balance sheet, but they would benefit from higher prices more than CCJ.
DeleteTorque - Fantastic description.
DeleteSo if Venezuela and Argentina devalue again, wonder what kind of impact to expect for Brazil? Already, crops from impressive farm expansion in the Ukraine seem to be putting the squeeze on both US and South American grain/soy prices, With US Ag experts beginning to advise US farmers to go to cash for the next few years as opposed to buying equipment for/and planting, seems some dynamics have shifted.
ReplyDeleteInteresting spot for NOAH.
ReplyDeleteSorta reminds me of the XIN chart.
DeleteIt looks like I am now going through what 2nd_ave described happened to him a couple of decades ago. I stopped reading market opinions as I realized they are all just attempts to explain, post factum, what has already happened and speculate uselessly about what will happen. I have not read Hussman in weeks! :)
ReplyDeleteNow I am just glancing at the market once a day, to see if any corrective actions are needed. Today, I couldn't help noticing that SLV is down noticeably while GDXJ/GDX/PNPFF are up. I don't remember when that happened last. I do remember, however, many cases when SLV was up and GDX/GDXJ was down, which had always led to a big drop in SLV+GDXJ+GDX in the next few days. Are we seeing the reverse dynamics playing out now?
I'm as good as anyone else at regurgitated BS, how about maybe miners did the smart thing and hedged their energy expenses while oil was trading at $30 several years back and now the benefit of this foresight is appearing on the bottom line?
DeleteSold NIHD at a small loss going into the closs. Was hoping for a continuation of the morning's gains. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteMUX - Someone forgot to tell the miners that silver's still under $20, guess it doesn't matter anymore?
ReplyDeleteBALT - I bought as much as I could the last hour going into close, someone had to step up and take control!
ReplyDeleteSounds like he makes a habit of taking anti-depressants.
DeleteExtreme-ferocity - Noun, lack of patience; intolerance of or irritability with anything that impedes or delays. See: impatience
IBM - Revenues fall short.
ReplyDeleteI know this is probably a stretch, but I'm looking at the similarities in the longer term charts of stocks like BAC / C (and to a slightly lesser extent XLF) and the Baltic Dry Index. Both had epic crashes followed by a reflexive bounce and then a retest of lows a few years later.
ReplyDeleteIn the rally after the retest the financials gave back between 50% and 70% of its gains before going on to much higher prices. I kind of think the same thing is happening right now with the Baltic Dry Index. That leaves a move down to 1,000 or so as a possibility. Just something to keep in mind. Perhaps you will get those mid to high 5's in BALT CP. Either way I think within a year you see much higher prices across the board. It won't be easy to hold though. Never is.
Right, meanwhile uranium's going on a tear b/c it's the cheapest alternative to coal, which is full of heavy metals and belches tons of CO2.
DeleteI guess if rail can make money without moving coal, bulk shippers have the same opportunity.
Best way to hold, in my opinion, is to come up with a realistic target price and set your mind to it.
DeleteWith AA, I can see it in the $30's, NWLI $400, AGO $40's, etc.
With NM, I find it easy to hold as long as it continues under book value. If it got up above book value, I'd think about trimming, but if fundamentals continue to improve, would likley hold. But the good thing is I can ignore the short term moves in the meantime and re-evaluate at (hopefully) higher levels.
Makes it much easier to ignore the short term gyrations if you have a big target out there that you feel good about hitting.
Looks like the steel industry and grains are the most important for dry bulk shippers:
DeleteMajor bulk cargo constitutes the vast majority of drybulk cargo by weight, and includes, among other things, iron ore, coal and grain. Minor bulk cargo includes products such as agricultural products, mineral cargoes (including metal concentrates), cement, forest products and steel products and represents the balance of the drybulk industry. In terms of seaborne trade volumes (and the shipping ton-miles generated), the dominant influence is that of the major bulk trades, which include coal, iron ore and grains.
you guys see what's going on in the Tanker sector?
Delete"Aframax spot rates have tripled over the past seven days to end the week well above the $100,000 per day mark.
Owners can fetch $115,000 for a Mediterranean voyage compared to $100,000 yesterday and just $37,000 per day last Friday, according to data by Global Hunter Securities (GHS).
“Aframaxes have today gone past $100,000 per day.
"Give it another week at that level and everyone will be piling in to order aframaxes,” quipped a leading tanker broker, pointing to the short rate spike which prompted a flurry of VLCC investment.
The huge aframax gains come amid a general surge in tanker rates over the past few days driven by activity in the Med.
Suezmaxes are paying out more than $120,000 daily following a near 20% rise overnight and rates have risen by over a third over the past week."
Nuts. No wonder TK NAT etc are going nuts.
here's another wacky chart:
Deletehttp://www.intertanko.com/Members-Information/Research-and-Projects/Research-and-Projects/Indicative-key-figures-/
look at those moves.
Now read these comments from brokers just 3 weeks ago regarding this space:
Deletehttp://www.tradewindsnews.com/tankers/330165/all-in-your-head
I also remember reading a lot of articles about the supply glut in the VLCCs toward the end of last year. Just goes to show some analysts don't know sh*t.
Yep, coal is one of the components in that list, I don't see intermodal though. Of course it takes a company like FLR quite some time to build a reactor so coal will remain necessary in the interim? Concerning iron ore, I guess some is needed to make rebar, which is necessary to build shiny empty cities in China. Wonder if they're slowing down or speeding up this activity?
DeleteAztecan plaster and the Amazon: I've read recently about rebar alternatives that are corrosion resistant to the new CO2 sequestered concrete curing technology.(apparently the new concrete blends are used for storing byproduct CO2) but I'm not sure how any of those rebar have caught on. High-CO2 concrete is supposedly more corrosive to steel rebar due to the CO2, presenting some kind of issue, I also don't know the details or magnitude of implementation of the new technologies, perhaps the developing world is just learning how to manufacture concrete so they may not be making environmentally friendly concrete? Why would we think they are, heck, they still slaughter dolphins!
"you guys see what's going on in the Tanker sector?"
DeleteYes, I've made several posts about FRO, kinda gave up on attracting attention.
Grains - Grains and lots of them are going to be needed for emerging markets, they're adopting our habit of eating meat, including pork.
Consumption of grains and iron ore are going to skyrocket over time as India emerges into a stronger economy. Think about the impact of another China coming on board. there's a reason guys like Ross are so bullish.
DeleteYou're right about that, wonder how young BALT's ships will be when the real move comes? Maybe some other turd currently holding rotten old ships will somehow dilute shareholders to death and climb to the top of the heap by that time? Could even be BALT, for that matter. I'm just thinking about the "what if's"...... trying to remain subjective.
DeleteAnd from which continent does India obtain their iron ore/raw materials, Afghanistan by rail or South America/Africa by ship?
AFOP does seem to have broken out.
ReplyDeleteBALT- Just to keep the ledger clean, I reloaded 4K shares today @ $6.00 via my phone. Kinda busy for another few days then boy are you guys in trouble!
ReplyDeleteDuder... Wilbur also loved XCO at 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5....
ReplyDeleteHa very true. That's actually an interesting setup right here. There are some big names in that bad boy.
DeleteOn the flip side he also loved IRE at $7, BKU in the low $20's and AGO at $9.
PACB- Wow.
ReplyDeleteINT - Whether it be dry, Tanker, container compressed natty shipping or intermodal, why can't we capture an ocean voyage renaissance via INT?
ReplyDeleteIt really Fing annoys me we can't 'click' on links here. For god sakes it run but Fing GOOG.
ReplyDeleteAnyone concerned about the huge bumps up in everyone's healthcare costs from Obamacare?
ReplyDeleteJB is.
DeleteWhys that?
DeleteNOR - With all that debt, I don't see how this comapny has a snowball's chance of turning a profit for common shareholders, I just don't get it. Busniess would have to be superb to do that, but BAC holds this debt, so they must know something about the future that's not obvious to me or their terms are such that they don't have much risk?
ReplyDeleteSales are 1.4B, losses are 24M, cap is just 265M, debt is 5,5x....
FMAR - Up only 63% for the week.
ReplyDeleteXCO - Speaking of this one, it's priced better now.
ReplyDeleteBAS - Earnings response was positive, seems like.
ReplyDeleteWilbur Ross also put a lot of money into tankers over the last 2 years through NVGS. Said that part of the shipping industry had better supply/demand fundamentals and dry bulk would be good in a couple of years (so hopefully that is now).
ReplyDeleteAlso, when you see guys like Ross and Buffet getting into energy, generally a good place to look for investments. But these guys are long term and think more about getting things right over several years, not months.
DeleteLooks like WR got a better entry than I.
DeleteNat gas is rocketing higher. At some pt the disparity between it and coal gets real
DeleteCXO - Not looking half bad here, maybe worth a shot?
ReplyDeleteInteresting pricing model on Gold:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-incredible-gold-interest-rate-correlation-2014-01-22
If I was going to pick a long term bottom for gold, $831 would seem like a reasonable place. We could continue to bounce for now, but I think people will lose interest again as the economy gets better over the next couple of years.
I think so too, PM's will fall out of favor. The gold rush is over with, just as the US treasury rally is over. I guess those harping gold are trying to unload their positions.
DeleteBSBR - Added at $5.17
ReplyDeleteURG - at 52wk high
ReplyDeleteAren't we shutting down coal plants and starting up nuclear reactors? I thought that's what I'd read.... natty is a transition fuel, so we can lower CO2 emissions immediately as we scale up nuclear?
ReplyDeleteDepends who's feeding the info to us...the natural gas industry or the coal industry or the nuclear industry
DeleteIt's a shit-ton of energy, enough to impact the global environment and acidify onean waters, warming causing trapped methane to liberate from cold ocean beds and rise into the atmosphere where it contributes to the greenhouse effect.
DeleteI dunno if we plan on halting consumption of fossil fuels or if we'll just decide to live with the consequences, but it's gonna make some money for whomever's on the right side of the trade?
I'm genuinely concerned about the impact rising premiums from the affordable care act is going to have on our economy.
ReplyDeleteI can't seem to find any clear cut stats on the actual $$ impact per month
DeleteFrom what I've heard (been fed?), a large percentage of the signups are receiving subsidies? Should be a boon for healthcare insurance companies considering they're probably the ones who developed the legislation for Congressional approval?
DeleteAnd there's the argument that overall costs will be shifted to those who don't need healthcare and so actual cost will decrease due to economies of scale effects? $328/ave seems to be the figure out there?
DeleteThere are articles, of course:
http://theweek.com/article/index/254564/the-hidden-costs-of-obamacare
Subsidies from the Medicaid program, which I guess means any assets remaining are subject to liquidation at the end of the recipients life and the balance repaid to the Medicaid system before any heirs receive the remainder.
DeleteWhere's Mark, he sure sleeps a lot!
ReplyDeletemREIT's - sure seems like these are no longer in the cross hairs of doom and gloomers.
ReplyDeleteAt least some governors who habitually conduct dirty deals behind the curtain on behalf of special interest groups are being exposed recently. Unless there words are just more rhetoric, seems like the US middle class has a determined ally on their side:
ReplyDelete"Obama declared he would dedicate the three remaining years of his second term to trying to reverse the “relentless decades-long trend” toward increasing economic inequality and declining opportunities for upward mobility in this country.
“It’s not enough anymore to just say we should . . . let the unfettered market take care of it,” the president said in offering an ardent defense of government activism and laying down a challenge to his political foes who have fought him on virtually every major economic and social policy."
NLY - Don't forget to sell at $10.40
ReplyDeleteI'm here...just busy.
ReplyDeleteYou're pretty quiet!
Deletehttp://www.marinelog.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=6143:pirates-nabbed-after-guards-repel-attack-on-navios-ship&Itemid=229M ship fighs off pirates - these guys are good!
ReplyDelete'Bout time someone learns self-defense, I think those pirates are cold-blooded murderers, right?
DeleteHXM - up 47% today!
ReplyDeleteAverage snowfall in Mt. Morris NY falls to practically zero from June through Sept
ReplyDeletehttp://pics2.city-data.com/w5q/snwq17215.png
ELON - reapproaching 52wk high
ReplyDeleteNSC - These guys transport coal, don't they? Maybe a glimpse of how coal demand is holding up in their report. Action in the KOL ETF maght also confirm the story.
ReplyDeleteCOW - Notice this one has moved since summer, one would never know there's a drought in Cali by browsing the conversation on TT, would he? Wonder why?
Internet movie streaming is dead money, right?
QCOM - Broke to the upside, didn't one of us buy that one around $70 ? 8.5% move so far.
ReplyDeleteIBM - Good old stogy Big Blue... Reminds me of INTC sorta. Good companies but not the most innovative in areas where it adds to the bottom line, perhaps too diverse.
UTX, Wonder if these guys have thought about a small scale natty gas turbine other than a few custom made and painted olive drab?
Not only is China not crashing, but it looks freaking fantastic:
ReplyDeletehttp://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p69108150359
Talk about positive divergences everywhere...
EEM is ready to go in my opinion. You can use $38.50 as a stop point. Looks excellent.
Flash PMI of 49.6. Let's see if this whole charting thing holds any water.
DeleteThe key is this line:
Delete"inflation is not a concern, the policy focus should tilt towards supporting growth to avoid repeating growth deceleration seen"
I know, I see a lot of areas that look primed for launching off the bottom, and some are already in progress, others seem to be digesting recent gains.
DeletePMI 49.6 is contraction, so the market's gonna bet that reverses to the upside?
I know, seems like the same old thing, laggards seem to be catching up, and there are new positive surprises out there everyday. IBM is no surprise to me.....
DeleteJust makes me think if we're seeing bottoms forming in China and coal and steel has already pretty much come out of a bottom then it stands to reason that dry bulkers are going to be a really good trade over the next year or two. I do have concerns, namely whether or not companies are committed to keeping the supply of ships down and whether or not iron ore demand will continue to grow rapidly. I think concerns around both are hampering the spot rates (i.e BDI had worst start to the year in 40 years which is crazy to think given how weak it was from 2008 to 2013). I think the answer to both is yes but we'll see. Gotta take some risk in this world to make money. I still see a series of higher bases being carved out in BALT. The last consolidation period lasted 3 months (Sept to Dec) so it wouldn't surprise me to see something similar. By my calculations, after those new ships come on board BALT will be profitable at the current spot rates.
DeleteI'm actually getting like $0.17 EBD (earnings before depr) per quarter at current rates and with the new ships on board (excluding 2 new ones they just got) which is what they base dividends off of. So I see plenty of room for them to raise their dividend from current $0.02 per quarter.
DeleteSo far so good, word is Chinese steel manufacturers are planning to cut production but using Korea as a proxy it looks like KB may be ready to go now the recent gap up is closed and PKX volume has picked up the past few days.
DeleteNoting CH's strength, but BCH hasn't kicked in gear.
BAP is breaking upwards with volume.
SCCO is well off lows, moving up and out of congestion whipsaw?
Seems to be more going on that might offer last minute entry opportunities if BALT continues waffling around.
holy balls look at CX. I remember we were talking about that one in the fall of 2011 sub $2 when it was free falling
DeleteCP - this is a pretty good chart that I've been looking at lately:
Deletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/01/20140114_BDIY.jpg
i know the source is shitty but it shows the rate of 2-week change in spot rates and shows just how nasty the latest fall in spot rates has been. just as bad as in 2008 and early 2012 which were two of the sharpest falls ever. Both were right around pretty significant bottoms in the index. Could be a buy signal. Certainly a lot of bulls have left the party which is a good thing longer term.
CX - F'in-A, yeah, that figures....
DeleteRead an article a few days ago that noted the ships being sent to scrapyards have been rerouted.
DeleteThat would imply business is better than the BDI indicates. Shipowners must see better returns now than when the decision was made to scrap.
DeleteSilver is such a head scratcher, I thought it was supposed to be $25M/oz by now......
ReplyDeleteRe BSBR, I ran a chart comparing it to EWZ (Brazil market ETF) and it is moving very much in line with the market. The fundamentals of BSBR are still very good, so while this pullback is frustrating, it is more market related than company related and I still feel good the stock will be much higher in the future.
ReplyDeleteBDI - Down a bit more, -47 to 1322
ReplyDeleteAOL is buying Gravity, GRVY?
ReplyDeleteMust not be, AOL's Gravity specializes in tailoring online advertising.
DeleteNLY - yeah, my position finally made it up over $10.40 !!!! :)
ReplyDeleteI feel like I spent all night street racing in a Lamborghini! :)
ReplyDeleteBALT - Wouldn't that be a kicker if BALT closed green????
Hopefully it gets him straightened out. A couple of my daughter's friends know him (his family is 45 minutes from here) and say he was kind of a jerk in high school, but not a bad kid. Too much fame and freedom at such a young age can mess pretty much anyone up it seems.
DeleteI can understand the temptation, can't get away with that kinda thing these days for good reason.
DeleteAdded to commercial insurer ORI this morning. They are about 25% undervalued compared to similar insurers because they have a mortgage insurer business which was essentially bankrupt. The mortgage insurer is separately incorporated, so can't affect the main business, but is actually becoming profitable on an ongoing basis as the housing market improves, so is adding to earnings, so the stock should get rerated by the market this year.
ReplyDeleteIt is also a dividend aristocrat, so people still want to own these for income and their yield is 4.3% with a dividend increase expected.
Not going to give me a double or anything, but I think this stock will outperform in a 2014 type of stock market.
Most of my purchases of this stock were at $9.81, so this add will increase my holdings by 1/3 and my average cost to $12.18, so easier to do than start a new position.
DeleteFrom seekingalpha:
ReplyDeleteCapesize shipping rates fall again, -71.5% YTD
Shipping rates fell again overnight, and the Baltic Dry Index is now -44% YTD.Overnight, capesize shipping rates declined 19.6% (or -$1,4620 to $11,128/day), panamax rates slipped 4% (or -$219) to $11,710/day, while supramax rates fell 1.8% (or -$94) to $11,721/day.YTD, capesize rates -71.5%, panamax rates -20%, supramax rates -23%.
I look at this and see how shallow the pull back is in the shippers and think traders are looking much further out.
DeleteJJC - Copper isn't down, nor is SCCO, so the media hype over China doesn't hold water, even GNK/DRYS were/are nicely green, AA down due to China is probably wrong too.
ReplyDeleteCH is green
VALE - This could be the panic buying day?
Added to BALT @ 5.80. Now have reloaded 1/2 of my previous shares.
ReplyDeleteNIHD - Probably a good pullback for buying?
ReplyDeletePort of Virginia Handled Record Container Volume in 2013
ReplyDelete22 Jan 2014
The market for breakbulk and heavy-lift ocean cargo is emerging from the doldrums it experienced last year. Although a backlog of global industrial projects carried the heavy-lift sector through 2012 and construction of new pipelines and wind farms in the U.S. filled inbound multipurpose breakbulk vessels that year, demand largely dried up in 2013. But the picture is brightening, and the market is positioned for a significant recovery in 2014 and 2015.
Trade Growth Could Overwhelm Latin American Infrastructure
15 Jan 2014
U.S. trade with Latin America is poised to expand in the coming years, which highlights the need to accelerate port and infrastructure development in the region.
US has least secure payment system in developed world, vulnerability is built into US banking system.
ReplyDeleteI think if you're looking longer term the themes of china and India growing into world powerhouses is such an important trend that will power markets so much higher than current levels. I would be looking closely at buying anything tied to these.
ReplyDeleteConsidering the rate of newbuilds, shouldn't we buy a company that does shipbreaking and/or construction?
Delete@UnionPacific to open $400 million intermodal facility in Santa Teresa, N.M., on April 1, allowing them to better tap US-Mexico traffic?
ReplyDeleteBDI - Today, Thursday, 23 January 2014, the Baltic Dry Index climbed down 51 points to 1,271 points.
ReplyDeleteThe BDI index has broken down today decisively below its November lows. BALT broke down today decisively below its mid-January lows. This doesn't make for a clearly bullish chart. So I just took profit on my BALT calls $2.50 calls, selling them at $3.30 (purchased them at $2.35).
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any good-looking charts on their radar (that also correspond to good-looking fundamentals) into which I can recycle my profits?
Since I don't like the BALT/BDI chart anymore, I figured that there is also no reason for me to keep my original BALT shares, so I sold those shares as well (purchased at $4.00). So now I am totally out of BALT.
ReplyDeleteI think the BDI is now less than when I bought BALT, so if I hold on here, BALT will probably trade lower than my basis price and I'll be in the red.
DeleteOnce this happens (and not before I exit of course), there will be a bad news announcement coinciding with earnings announcement, like some kind of dilution or tax evasion investigation, which will knock BALT down by 50% one morning.
DeleteLooking at the chart, the H&S formation should be near complete by Feb 17th, at which time BALT will be trading at or slightly below my basis price. The earnings news should be cause for a healthy gap down from there.
DeleteThis pattern of bull traps occurs over and over agin, which is why it's smart to take gains while they exist, prices don't grow to the moon.
December 09, 2013 China to Aid Ailing Shipbuilders With More Subsidies
ReplyDeleteI don't know that there are any publicly-trade ship builders. The only one I can think of is Korean company Hyundai Heavy Industries, but don't know how much is shipbuilding. The other problem is a lot of countries like to keep these companies running as they employ a lot of people.
DeleteHII builds all kinds of ships, not sure if all of them are for military use but they did say they had plans to increase production at their Louisiana shipyard.
DeleteUNP did have a good quarter - rails are getting expensive, but they are some of the best long term hold stocks if you can get them at a reasonable price as they have the fuel efficiency advantage over trucking that is a long term trend.
ReplyDeleteTLT - Sheesh, click your heels and say China doesn't matter....
ReplyDeleteBALT - Alright, I'm out here at $5.75 instead of last week at $6.30, I'm not gonna ride this turd down any further.
ReplyDeleteTDW - This one's coming back to me, maybe I can time a bottom.....
ReplyDeleteI found a chart that has a potential for a major move higher: PNPFF. Combining that with a major oversold condition in Canadian dollar, and a seemingly confirmed double bottom in SLV/GLD between June 2013 and December 2013, we could see a major move up in PNPFF. I already have a decent position in that ETF, but just now I added 10K more shares at $0.36.
ReplyDeleteThinking what I should do with the remaining $2K I got from selling out of my BALT today, I noticed that GLD broke out to a 1-month high today, after making what seemed like a double top in January and then dropping a little below the lowest point between the two tops, which was sure to scare many people out of gold. So today's move higher might very well persist. So I just bought 2 September $115 calls on GLD at $10.85 (deep in the money with a multi-month expiration so as to minimize the time decay). Will sell out of these calls if GLD drops below yesterday's low.
$2500 bail for drunk driving and drag racing is cheap, man! Must have influential dealer-friends in high places to avoid automatic loss of driving privileges for a decade.
ReplyDeleteARII - Seems like oil tanker cars might be popular..
ReplyDeleteJust went through the fake knockout move and the whole nine yards.
DeleteWhy didn't I think of this!
ReplyDelete"The Greenbrier Companies (NYSE: GBX ) CEO William Furman around 80,000 tanker cars don't meet current safety standards and need to be replaced or retrofitted. This massive overhaul is going to be a boon for tanker manufacturers like Greenbrier and peer American Railcar Industries (NASDAQ: ARII ) , but it is likely to be an expensive problem for the likes of GATX Corporation (NYSE: GMT ) and even Icahn Enterprises (NASDAQ: IEP ) . "
Hmmm... All things considered, it's really pretty quite across the 'sphere'.
ReplyDeleteENPH was down 8%, that seems pretty tame?
DeleteBACML kept their $55~$65 price objective for the entire run into the $90's for this one of a kind company, now I see these A-holes finally increased it:
ReplyDelete"BofAML 12 Month Objective $102
40% 5yr est Growth"
So, I guess it's topped out and they're distributing their position.
What ticker?
DeleteHII is the ticker, I guess I didn't get the post linked right.
DeletePlatinum - Interesting this one has dropped below gold again, wonder if this is a signal gold is back to the same fundamental that caused this same phenomenon previously, a condition which also existed when gold made it's run to the top?
ReplyDeleteHard to believe there's anything to it, I know.....
David I know this is biased but what exactly is bearish about the chart of balt?
ReplyDeleteThe drop down to $5.89 on January 13 was a pretty good shake out. There was no real need for BALT to drop below that level today. That's a very minor point, I agree, and I would be still holding BALT if BDI were above its November lows.
DeleteSince I was dealing with options, I had to make sure that both fundamentals and technicals are aligned. If BDI rises above November highs, I'll put BALT back on my radar.
I think that it is only worth holding call options on stocks for which EVERYTHING is looking up and then be out at the first sign of trouble. I didn't do it over the past 2 years and my portfolio got destroyed. Now I am learning a new discipline.
I can see the tops of two reactors if I go around the corner here:
ReplyDeleteNorth Anna-1 Westinghouse 3-loop 903 MW
North Anna-2 Westinghouse 3-loop 972 MW
ENPH has shipped 1GW of inverters to date, hard to believe that capacity is nearly as much as one of these reactors, it seems odd.
DeleteThe first ENPH inverters were installed today in Romania.
DeleteI really don't know for sure but I'd bet one of these reactors must cost at least $2B to build today, maybe less, but this is a guess. They're going to build a 3rd, the design will be different I think for reasons that IMO, would make putting it at this location kinda silly b/c it doesn't use the existing waste heat treatment ponds. This 3rd unit could go practically anywhere else as far as I can tell. Not that we don't want it here of course, b/c it's probably welcome, but regardless, it never matters what we want.
DeleteThese two reactors have been running since the early 70's, so they've pumped out practically an infinite amount of energy over that period of time.
Even more expensive then I'd guessed, this proposed 1600MW reactor (for 2024?) is about double the amount of power currently generated:
Delete"Dominion Virginia Power operates twin 980-megawatt reactors at its 1,043-acre North Anna Power Station. If built, North Anna 3 would produce enough electricity to power more than 368,000 homes."
Opposition says:
"Dominion, like “almost all utilities, is bridging the gap between full utilization of renewables with cheap natural gas” rather than depending on new reactors. Economically, the handwriting is on the wall.” Recent industry estimates put the cost of a new reactor at between $6 billion and $10 billion."
The Three Mile Island malfunction occurred in 1979, and these current two reactors actually came on grid just a few years after, so TMI didn't stop the plan.
SBUX #'s look great.
ReplyDeleteUPL - I'm not sure why this one is breaking out and I'm pretty sure this post will get no response as usual, but thought I'd give it a shot anyway.
ReplyDeleteTLT - This thing broke out of it's downtrend end of last year(precisely!) & has been steadily rallying all this year. Wonder what the implications are?
ReplyDeleteOh, and today TLT coincidentally hit the 200SMA on this chart:
Deletehttp://www.finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=TLT&ty=c&ta=1&p=d
A drop in long-term rates increases the appeal for gold both directly (less competition from interest-bearing securities) and indirectly (implied weaker economic prospects also stimulate interest in gold for many reasons).
DeleteExactly, David, a disinflationary balance sheet recession phenomenon. One that I was becoming convinced we had put behind us.
DeleteSo I guess as confirmation of a return to recession, we should watch the US Treasury yield curve to see if it's beginning to flatten as it typically does, going into recession.
DeleteAmazing, Va. Governor McDonnell took a bath on his beach properties bought just prior to the financial crash.
ReplyDeleteConsidering US container imports were rather impressive in 2013, kinda strange that Chinese manufacturing has suddenly slowed. Just a post Christmas seasonal slowdown?
ReplyDeletePCP was selling well today, with impressive volume.
ReplyDeleteENPH - reports very soon, could be today, even. In case you knew already.
ReplyDeleteMy bad, that's next month this time. Sorry for being so chatty.
DeleteBMY - This one reports in the morning, right?
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